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  1. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    I admire him for building such an empire.
    I clearly remember the time Red Bull was only title sponsor for the Sauber team with a Ferrari engine underneath.
     
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  2. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    1995 was the first year I believe. A really beautiful car. Especially the post 2000 cars where really beautiful.


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  3. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/142271/for-porsche-it-was-red-bull-or-nothing-f1-entry-completely-off-the-table.html

    Red Bull Racing and Porsche were due to team up from 2026, or so was the expectation for months. Eventually, the deal collapsed and it now seems that a Formula 1 entry of the German car brand is now off the table altogether. Indeed, more and more sources are reporting that Porsche will not join the king class of motorsport for the time being.





    Last week, Auto, Motor und Sport already wrote that Porsche is not interested in Formula 1. Days after the Singapore Grand Prix, the German RTL certain that the company's board, led by CEO Oliver Blume, has drawn a line under participation in F1.


    Porsche abandons opportunity
     
  4. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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  5. WPOZZZ

    WPOZZZ F1 Veteran

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    Wow, RBR signed de Vries! How did they manage that?
     
  6. 250boano

    250boano Formula Junior

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    Source? I hadn't seen anything about this yet??
     
  7. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    announcement at 2am euro time, Gasly to AT and De Vries to be announced for AT.
     
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  8. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    How many drivers at Alpha Tauri then ?
     
  9. gh0st0

    gh0st0 F1 Rookie

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    about 5 mins ago, the announcement came out. Interesting choice for AT
     
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  10. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I am thinking: following Max' secong title, no wonder Honda has secong thoughts about coming back in F1.

    Also, Porsche may regret having been trying to take over Red Bull (well, 50/50) when they could have simply be associated with a top team that knows how to win. There was no better team for a fruitful partnership.
     
  11. 250boano

    250boano Formula Junior

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    Does anyone else think they're prepping a replacement Checo?

    De Vries has been so keen to get into F1 for so long, he'll be so indebted at the opportunity that he'll happily play rear gunner to Max.
    Much like they signed Checo after his casting out from Racing Point?
     
  12. DF1

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    De Vries is young but experienced. His speed might make things more complicated. If he is fast his stock might rise and possibly he is a replacement for others in other teams. There are possibilities here beyond A-Tauri should be prove talented. He has won in other series. If he is fast he should NOT sign a long term deal like Norris has. Norris has no place to go. Fast at Mclaren. Thats not a prescription for success in the current F1. I find this intriguing.
     
  13. trumpet77

    trumpet77 Formula 3

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    After Perez won in Singapore, and ended 2nd in Japan, to think that two years ago at this time he didn't have a drive is amazing. Shows what being in the right car can do. 2nd example, compare Bottas this year with the previous years battling HAM for poles and getting a few victories.
     
  14. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Now its ALWAYS the car. 90% per engineers. The driver can only make up for so little now. No good car you are mid pack. See FA and others. No winning capable car, you have NO chance now. To win titles you need car + skill, lack of errors vs other top drivers and CONSISTENT top performance.
     
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  15. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You need good tyre management too, which is a hit and miss affair for some .

    I find reliability not playing such a big role now, compared to 20 or 30 years ago, when nursing your car was essential to finishing.
     
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  16. kandi

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    #1091 kandi, Oct 11, 2022
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    This year it's RedBull - they've got all those boxes checked.

    Well, I forgot about one more thing - you need also the "budget cap" box checked :D (for 2022)


    Those days, the F1 was an extreme motorsport - one engine for 1 race, refuelling, monstrous power, less aero, no DRS ****t, no driving aids.

    And juzt to put into a perspective, not so long ago, in 2008 an F1 car was 600kg without fuel, in 2022 it's 800kg (910kg with fuel). How different must have been driving a 700kg F1 bolide vs 900kg car.
    F1 car that weighs close to a tonne sounds like a pig, when we call road supercars a pig at 1500kg without driver.
     
  17. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Was listening to a podcast from 2019 or 2020 or so and that specifically talked about Newey's way of dealing with porpoising and the importance of sidepod design...Newey said in the 90s that having very small sidepods isn't as big an advantage as it may seem on the surface, rather it's much more importance to have them shaped properly to manage airflow so that that air doesn't go underneath the car and interupts the flow, and to also have the sidepods as far away from the front wheels/cockpit as possible.

    It also brought me back to a comment I read on another forum a few months ago, the comment dated from 2020 somewhere where someone talked about the importance for teams to not get the car to porpoise as was happening 30 years ago. I found that particularly hilarious given how many armchair experts called porpoising a ''mystery'' that no team anticipated....Just shows it was short sightedness from teams
     
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  18. jgonzalesm6

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    BREAKING NEWS:

    Dietrich Mateschitz - Red Bull owner - has died at the age of 78. RIP
     
  19. gh0st0

    gh0st0 F1 Rookie

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    Still not that old, but RIP. Said it was from battling a long time illness
     
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  20. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    That’s a shame. He built a hell of a business, whatever one may think of the product, and was a genius promoter. There was a time when the team might have stood down in respect, but those days are gone.
    R.I.P.
     
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