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Red Bull vs Crofty?

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  1. Edward 96GTS

    Edward 96GTS F1 World Champ
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    whats the riff about?
     
  2. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Crofty is denying Max the 2021 win and has verbalized it at COTA 2022 in his notebook segment.
     
  3. william

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    You will always find deniers in all walks of life.

    What's sad and even dangerous if when they use their position to influence people.
     
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  4. JJ

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    Crofty can **** right off. He's the worst part of the broadcasts. (I don't start watching until the formation lap starts and turn it off usually before podium.)
     
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    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The thing is to that SkySports probably won't make Kravitz apologize for it.....we'll see.

    If not, the whole SkySports team are also guilty of it.
     
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  6. SPEEDCORE

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    You mean Ted Kravitz?

    Ahh there we go :)
     
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  7. SPEEDCORE

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    The comment was made in ‘Ted’s Notebook’, a popular segment hosted by Kravitz following each qualifying and race session.

    Kravitz was referring to movie star Brad Pitt being at the Circuit of the Americas last weekend, and that it would’ve been a strong Hollywood script for Hamilton to beat Verstappen in the US last time out to take his first win of the 2022 campaign.
    “[Hamilton] doesn’t win a race all year, and then finally comes back at a track where he could win the first race all year, battling the same guy who won the race he was robbed in the previous year, and manages to finish ahead of him,” he said.
    “What a script and a story that would have been. But that’s not the way the script turned out today, was it?

    “Because the guy that beat him after being robbed actually overtook him, because he’s got a quicker car, because of engineering and Formula 1 and design, and pretty much because of [Adrian Newey, Red Bull’s chief technical officer] over there.”
     
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  8. Kimi2007

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    I swear, these people are in LOVE with Hamilton.

    Hamilton has been driving cars designed and directed by Aldo Costa, Paddy Lowe, and James Allison since his career started. Hamilton didn't just gets cars with more power, he got cars that were more often than not more aero efficient than Red Bull and Ferrari.

    Nothing wrong with that either. Champions require championship level cars. But how quickly these clowns forget the Mercedes being the absolute class of the field from 14-21'. And, yes, I say Mercedes had a slightly better car than RBR in the second half last year.
     
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  9. fatbillybob

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    Crofty adds nothing to the broadcast IMO. I'd rather it be full of real racers....even better accomplished F1 racers. I like it when we get extra F1 racer perspective from Rossberg and Button. I would like to hear more from Massa too.
     
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    I think Hammy should give Danica some styling tips. DP wears some weird stuff.
     
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  11. DF1

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    I have had fun conversations with Crofty in person in the paddock. One year in Germany he was so funny and engaging. But I do think the hype push is a bit much. I like Button the best. We need more perspective and information and less hype. One can deliver both and not flatten the speakers or your ear drums.
     
  12. DF1

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    I actually think Danic should consult with the stylist for Natalie from SKY. Well dressed, exciting and never strange overall.
     
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  13. Bas

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    Exactly this.

    But the moment Verstappen (or indeed Vettel at the time) started winning, first thing they do is point to Newey's bald head and say it's all because of him. Absolutely true he's the guy that leads the direction which brings great cars, nothing wrong with that...but how often did Ted point out the reason Lewis won everything on the planet was because of the designers?
     
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  14. DF1

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    Mercedes lack the named designer so famous as Newey. The omission is because there is not one. Not a conspiracy. I think its REALLY easy to understand that. Newery is famous with his mark on RedBull. Its also an easy assumption to think that a pilot did little to design a car.
     
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    They don't need to say the names of the engineers responsible if they don't know them of the top of their head. But to very rarely acknowledge just how great the Mercedes is (was) is precisely what I mean. They always do it when it's someone not british winning, but when it's a Briton they can't stop going on about how good the driver was. Please.

    No one is using the word conspiracy. Hypocrisy is the word you're looking for.
     
  16. Kimi2007

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    Oh, come off it. SkySport reporters know exactly who Byrne, Costa, and Allison are. They do mention Byrne when discussing Schumacher's era, and Newey when the subject of Vettel's domination comes up. But they then oddly never utter a word about the designers of Hamilton's cars. :rolleyes:
     
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    Aldo Costa and James Allison have been behind as many championships as Newey. But the double edged sword of some British media wanting to forget the Ferrari domination of the 2000's, and their role in Mercedes domination, renders a word hardly uttered about them on an F1 broadcast.

    I swear, British media are never going to stop talking about Abu Dhabi 21'. Hell, Sam Collins actually said on F1TV live that Hamilton is a 9x WDC, because he's also the "rightful" champion of 2007, because the BMW's should've been disqualified in Brazil. I guess Collins forgets that whole McLaren cheating scandal in 07' that should've gotten them banned for the rest of 07', and of course, we should never mentioned CrashGate. :rolleyes:
     
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    At Red Bull, Adrian Newey is the authority, like he was at Williams and McLaren where his departure was deeply felt.
    In some other teams, there is different structure in the design office: they have adopted a collegial approach.
    Responsabilities are shared, without the team promoting its technical director to "star" status.
    Some engineers can work in relative obscurity, whilst others like Barnard or Newey want centre stage.

    I take exception with the notion that a F1 driver can design a car. In all likelihood he doesn't unless he has an engineering degree, and spend months in the design office. I think Nico Rosberg is the closest we had as an automotive engineer (Imperial College in London) , and he never designed any of his cars. Designing a F1 car is a team effort and a full time job, not compatible with spending time to attend 23 races all over the world during a year. So I wish that myth was put to bed: drivers don't design cars !
     
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    Ted always seems to have an air about him that runs me the wrong way. The bias of Sky is nothing new and they’ve had seven years of glory days foisting Lewis and Mercedes to almost God-like status. Teds commentary was. It surprising at all. The hypocrisy is in full display and they all have zero qualms about having it all out there in full display… complaining that it’s RBs car that’s so far ahead as if Merc didn’t have that for seven years.

    I do like Martin. At least there’s some balance there. I like Jensen and Paul de Resta and Natalie and find myself really enjoying the commentary they typically provide for FP1 and 2
     
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    And, apparently, designers don't attend races?
     
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    Some do occasionally, those related to track operations, if only for PR, or as a reward.

    The job of a design engineer is in the office, not prancing about in the pitlane.
     
  22. Kimi2007

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    Exactly. Newey wants recognition publicly for his designs, whereas Byrne, Costa, and Allison work in the dark, quietly creating. That was their magic at Ferrari, that the latter two ended up bringing to Mercedes.
     
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    Fully agree.
    With insights the biggest failure from Luca di Montezemolo was not managing to hire Newey when the dream team ( Todt -Brawn-Byrne) was about to end their Ferrari episode.
     
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    F1TV is a bit better, even if their biased towards Mercedes and Ham themselves.

    I have no problem with giving Hamilton-Mercedes domination god-life status, even if I can't stand their politics and whining. Mercedes got serious about wanting to win as a full factory team, and got Wollf and Lauda to run the team like a business, as Todt did for Ferrari. They knew that meant hiring a skilled driver in Hamilton, a great car design team in Costa and Allison, and building their cars around one driver.

    Mercedes and Red Bull are serious racers, and to paraphrase Lawrence of Arabia, Ferrari are silly racers.
     
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    Newey never wanted to be at Ferrari. He was just shopping them. Don't forget, Newey built some real turds at McLaren. There was plenty of Mercedes horsepower, but Newey's cars were just plain inferior to Ferrari and even Renault and Williams.

    Luca's mistake was not having patience with Costa to design a winning car for Ferrari, and letting him get poached by Mercedes. I have no doubt that had Costa been able to help on the F2012, Alonso would've had his 3rd title.
     
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