Ferrari Announces LMH Factory Program!

499 P this afternoon at Imola.

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Thank you.

Not exactly a 330P3 or P4 but it will look a lot better if it starts winning races.

 

Old names coming out of the woodwork. How about this one, Isotta Fraschini (!):

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/isotta-fraschini-presents-michelotto-built-hybrid-lmh-car/

 

Looking a lot better.

I told you guys this was going to look super cool! Lol.

Forza Ferrari, kick everyone's ass in 2023!

 

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They left Le Mans with the howl of 12 Cylinders and come back with 6 in a roar of lawn mowers... Fantastic

 

Yeah, what'a gonna do? A V12 would be cooler but it is what it is. Monza's had four cylinders so fa'gadaboudit.

 

Something I don’t understand on the Ferrari website they state the V6 produces 500kw and the electric motor ~200kw but max power is 500kw overall. Can anyone explain how this works?

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The Maranello Symphonic Orchestra ceased playing long time ago !

 

Yup. It is by LMH rules which state that maximum combined power delivery (ICE + e-motor) is limited to 500kW.
(So the e-motor is used to effectively fill power & torque in lower rpm range, while not exceeding the 500kW total output)

Also the e-motor cannot engage until 120kph to lessen the AWD traction advantage.

 

Plus significant handling advantage with front wheel electric motors. LMH doesn’t have mandatory hybridisation so it interesting although not unexpected that they’ve taken this route given where they are with the road cars and F1.


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I am really in 2 minds about these confusing rules.
With the limitation of use for the front electric motors on LMH, is it really worth it having them?
Glickenhaus and ByKolles (Vanwall) don't think so. 4x4 is only interesting if it's permanent.
On LMHs, is it compulsory to have the electric motors on the front axle, or chose to have them on the rear axle ?

 

Glickenhaus and ByKolles don´t use hybrid engines because they can´t afford them, plain and simple. There was a post by lmpdesigner in this same thread where he explained the advantages of the hybrid system, the biggest one was that you could use that energy at will as needed at each part of the track.

 

Yes, I read that article.
But the rules brought in reduce so much the use of the hybrid system, that in fact I start doubting its necessity.
Just wondering why Glickenhaus and ByKolles couldn't use the standard LMDh hybrid system on their cars, albeit on the rear axle.

 

I would imagine that the e-motor would be most useful as an hp and torque “top up” at the lower speeds but with the 120 kph rule I don’t really see the advantage of the parallel hybrid system on performance but rather as a source of hp (from recovered energy) at speed—with ICE engine loading reduced—so as to increase efficiency and reduce fuel consumption, yes?

The actual PU at the rear sounds like a very basic turbo ICE engine/7-speed with only energy recovery but no electric deployment. So this to my seems so much less complicated/complex and more purely mechanical than F1 and that sounds—emphasis on sound since no MGU-H—and that’s a good thing in my estimation.

 

https://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/ferrari-499p-le-mans-lmh-revealed/

 

Combined with a maximum power, the limit to speed above 120kph, will make the benefit of 4x4 non-existent.

It's under acceleration at the exit of low speed corners that it would have made a lot of difference.

The hybrid system in endurance has to be seen as a fuel saving exercise to please the ecologists.

 

After reading some articles, I'm surprised about that this car was made by a quite small team compared to what they're using for F1.

 

I thought the Ferrari Hypercar would have been made by Michelotto (like the GT3) or Dalarra (like the 333P).

But in fact the next GT3 (296 GTB) will be made by Oreca, Michelotto is working on another project, and Dalarra isn't tipped to work for Ferrari at the moment, so the 499P must be built in house, probably in very few numbers.

 

I really really enjoyed watching this on the Ferrari YouTube channel. I’m extremely excited to see these 2 cars race at Daytona and Sebring.

 

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/how-the-ferrari-499p-le-mans-hypercar-was-designed/10393449/

 

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/ferrari-identifying-how-to-integrate-customers-into-lmh/

Ferrari Identifying How to Integrate Customers into LMH
Ferrari wants customers to be involved in LMH program; will “evaluate” more cars after 2023…

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Ferrari is identifying ways of integrating customers into its LMH program, with the head of the company’s Competizione GT department stating that it will “evaluate” the possibility of producing more 499Ps in the future.

Speaking during the car’s launch at Imola last weekend, Alessandra Todeschini noted that Ferrari has received “a lot of interest” in the twin-turbo V6 hybrid prototype.

Ferrari has previously only referred to its two confirmed factory entries that will compete in next year’s FIA World Endurance Championship season, which includes the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

However, customer interest in the manufacturer’s first in-house sports prototype in 50 years is known to be high. Last month Giuseppe Risi, the owner of experienced American privateer Risi Competizione, said his team is “exploring” options to run the 499P.

Despite not being required to produce customer cars, Ferrari now appears open to considering entries outside the factory stable that would build on its extensive customer GT racing program covering the GTE, GT3 and Challenge platforms.

“Definitely it is two cars, [numbers] 50 and 51,” Todeschini said regarding the Ferrari 499Ps that will run in WEC next year.

“But it’s true that we have seen a lot of interest. We will take one year to evaluate if it’s the case to put some more cars on the grid.

She added: “We will say today though that this is not the correct year, because we’re still under development and we feel it’s too much to place outside of the factory team at this point.”

In the meantime, Ferrari plans to integrate customers into the works LMH program next year by launching a ‘paddock club’ experience offering behind-the-scenes access.

Todeschini explained that this will be a “round-by-round” initiative, following the Ferrari AF Corse squad at each of the seven stops on the WEC calendar and enabling customers to “feel a part of the event” from a factory team perspective.

“Customers are crucial for us, so we will find something for them,” she said.

“We are organizing a program for them. They will be able to follow our team at all rounds of the championship.

“They will enjoy first-class service at a paddock club, and they will stay with the team and encounter the drivers.

“We will take care of all the passionate Ferrari customers that want to attend those events, creating an exclusive habitat for them where they can follow all the races and they can stay with us.”

Ferrari’s sports car racing director Antonello Coletta explained that it is too early for the manufacturer to look at selling customer 499Ps, as it continues its testing program to prepare for the car’s homologation later this year and its race debut at Sebring in March.

When asked for the number of LMH inquiries from private organizations, Coletta said: “We have received a considerable number of requests from important teams.

“But at this moment, we prefer to concentrate on our official cars.

“We will see for the future. In this moment, we are not ready to sell the car to customer racing teams.”

Ferrari’s last factory-built sports prototype, the 312 PB, was only run by the official squad however its predecessor the 512 competed in customer hands with independent outfits such as Penske, Scuderia Filipinetti and North American Racing Team.

The last sports prototype to bear the Ferrari name was the Dallara-built 333 SP, which was exclusively operated by customer teams in the 1990s and early 2000s.