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Max showed signs of greatness even as a test driver for Toro Rosso in 2014. In no way would I consider him a flash in the pan. He doesn't need 5 more championships to validate how good he is. Alonso has just 2, and is widely considered one of the greats. Vettel had his time when he had a car built exactly to his needs. But he showed his limits while in cars that weren't great or perfect to his style and thus he won't rank among the other drivers with 4 or more championships.

I also don't think if a driver is loyal to one team it should hurt them. Also a driver can't control how good of a car he gets. That is unless you are Lewis Hamilton who has never had a bad car. So winning titles with more than one team doesn't define greatness either IMO. But it certainly doesn't hurt.

 

Consider Fangio - 5 titles for 4 different teams!

 

A driver most certainly can influence how good a car he gets! He either knows how to communicate with engineers or he doesn't, and if he does he's either willing to put in the work or he's not.

 

That would be applicable to you. Lack of respect for the winners from FA. Of which he is one. He denigrates his own titles and his grid mates. His following apologetic statements and call for respect were hollow and idiotic and utterly laughable. Too little too late for a subject that is useless.

I like FA but he opened his own pandora's box with this idiotic mouth. To define another driver's multiple title as less than valid, after the same rookie more than matched him is the epitome of triggered. You agree LOL.

 

Listening to Lewis complain to his pit that Max didn't slow down enough under the VSC was embarrassing. Hamilton has never shown the kind of character I can admire. He has all the stats the "prove" what a great F1 driver he is...but he has never impressed me as a man. Other drivers with far less stats have shown me much more style and substance, on the track and off. I won't bother to name them because it doesn't really matter...I'm just expressing my opinion...it isn't a proclamation from the gods. Okay, I'll name just one...Stirling Moss.

 

Conclusion: Jim Clark and Ayrton Senna never were True Superstars. Amazing!

When the previous criterium for a True Superstar ("Lewis has won in every season") no longer fits another one (even sillier) is found.

 

The irony of IDIOT FA found here -

"Tired of the continuous search for headlines. Let's enjoy them."

LOL - You are nothing but a SEARCH FOR HEADLINES. SHUT UP AND DRIVE!

 

FA never searches for headlines lol. He thinks we should all now stop doing so aftern initiating the latest round of idiocy over comparing titles to winners and eras. The epitome of BRAIN DEAD. I think he has a true gift as a driver. Intellectual intelligence is not included in his skill set as its not for MANY drivers. The live in a bubble to tightly controlled the reality of the greater world and pain and struggle most fans endure is beyond them now. FA is the latest example of the utter ignorance found in the paddock. Lets not search for headlines LOL. Sure amigo...................maybe you should just shut up and drive. Your at least useful to the world in that sense. Cars on track is all the sport offers to drivers. Beyond that they are idle rich with time to fill if not training and jet skiing in the Monaco Harbor.

Add the other headline searcher Horner on his oh so painful, gruding acceptance of a small fine and 5 min less wind tunnel time. WORLD TURNS LOL. Now go and get ready for the next race and stop MAKING HEADLINES LOL><

 

I dont think he is the only one that has been inflicted with this disease, they all seem to whinge about the slightest mistake by others. Verstappen is guilty of it too.

Has anyone noticed on here (and especially commentators) when discussing drivers, most refer to Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, Leclerc, Sainz etc but then we have........ MAX.............verstappen!

Tony

 

+1 drivers being whiny. You need it to be in F1 currently lol! No driver is above this. Bottas whines but is fairly muted as is Latifi lol

 

The whinging about other drivers during races is needed to signal "mistakes" often neglected by the stewards and left unpunished.
At least there is an audio trace of driving offenses, in case they are not spotted by officials.
A typical example is track limits which are often not enforced; the FIA prefers to keep them as a "grey area".

 

At the end of the day, the FIA counts the points accumulated over a season to determine objectively the WDC.

They don't bother to collect opinions among the crowd to make a subjective choice.

Enjoy your nebulous world, and remember this: Everything is about Numbers on Planet Earth.

 

Numbers (like statistics) itself are meaningless without context. Example:

Number of Hamilton wins in 2022: 0 (-100% compared to 2021).
Number of Hamilton pole positions in 2022: 0 (-100% compared to 2021).

Is this all there is or is there more than meets the eye and do we have to add some context (e.g. the Mercedes W13 never was a championship winning car)?

 

For all of you ready to declare Max the next great driver, I think you need to slow down. When he wins 4 titles like Vettel in a dominate Red Bull designed car he will be equal to Vettel (even though Max's first two will go down in history mired in a financial cheating scandal and the forced firing of a Race Director). Then lets see if Max turns a corner that Vettel and Alonso couldn't. Before you discount the accomplishments of a 7 time winner like both LH and MS you need to factor in the huge gap between being a Vettel or Alonso versus getting to the heights and the rare air that Lewis and Michael have experienced. I give Max less than a 50% chance of achieving superstar status vs his current new kid on the block status from his 2 slightly dinged and tarnished championships. Will Max be the next Vettel/Alonso or the next Lewis/Micheal... it is too early to tell as lots of things are out side the drivers control when it comes to winning championships across a decade of time.

 

I declare today Lewis Hamilton day !!!!! does everyone know he won 7 championships? Yay we all know.

 

They disqualified Hamilton from being a great because the older cars took more skill to drive than hybrid era. Now they have totally flipped and said Max is great. They might as well work at a pan cake house the way they flip flop.

 

A driver can absolutely influence the direction of the car which can make a noticeable difference. At the end of the day they still need clever people to come up with and build designs that delivery efficient aero performance, more power, light weight parts, etc.

 

It seems you live in thin air yourself, but certainly not in my Universe.

Personally, I believe that Max is a much better driver than Hamilton. However, nobody can tell how many more WDCs he will win but IF he wins another one I do hope that it takes a year-long battle with multiple other drivers / teams to make an interesting season (instead of a season dominated by one team with one very privileged and one subservient second driver "hint").

I have always cheered for Ferrari but to me the Schumacher domination in the 2004 was extremely boring.

 

The way F1 is going this will be occuring more often, I guess.

The stakes are too serious for a team to entertain an internal fight - championships have been lost that way !

 

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KARMA is a b1tch!

Alonso is extremely jealous of Hamilton success.

 

Alonso may have had more success, and pocketed more WDCs, if it wasn't for his toxic attitude.

His skill was never in question, but his bad temper often got the better of him.

The typical case of an individual who keep shooting himself in the foot.

 

Can i have alonsos phone number so I can ask him myself, please

 

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