I sent a message to mods/Robb to zero out price and remove from market. 1st of year, I will service (hate to) and classiche it. Hide away for future generations or he’ll, even drive it! Cheers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
We've discussed this before, but I think the Bobileff GTS is proof positive that anyone buying on BaT is paying a premium over and above the market. For sellers, it makes sense because of BaT's exposure. But (I would think) any potential serious Ferrari owner would have seen this car either here on F-Chat or for the 2-3 months it was posted on Bobileff's website (For under $200k). So in the end, the buyer paid about $20k MORE for a car (plus the $5k in auction fees), than was necessary.
Either that or Fchat is selling below market . Exposure is what makes a market. It’s not logical to presume a venue with less exposure is the market. Having said that, Ferrari dealers have purchased cars on BAT and turned them around and sold for more. Now more specific to the Blue GTS, a few new key things came to light come auction time. The rarity of the Spec and in relation to it’s MY and more details of it’s accident history, which was believed to be minor. Problem with sale ads is buyers hope the seller would lower price. Taking a gamble with time. Once an auction is in place, that option is no longer viable and because of the rare spec, it’s a now or never situation and the bidding results reflected that. Might not have been the case in a more common spec. Recent Euro GTS certainly didn’t get a premium over Fchat ask.
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/148732313/ @squid came in second at $206k ($211k) on the Blue GTS. Perhaps we should ask him why he didn't simply buy the car for less on Fchat.
I missed the market. I have something that is truly special. My only goal was to sell it…..I planned on saying nothing and holding it. But alas, I am a dumbass. So be it. I will call Steve and set up for Classiche. I might even service it Gasp. And just F’ing drive it. It is insured for well over $350k so I got that going for me. Even low miles want to be shared. Robb fixed up the listing and I told him, I probably need to get it on the lawn somewhere someday. Probably have to paint correct…. But a big part of me says keep it original!!! Most people would fall all over a big block all original paint - patina - Mid year Vette. If I am stuck with this S.O.B for 20 years, I think I do Ok. Who does not want a GTS with super low miles!?!!?? Hell, the service cost is nothing, literally! We have a Aston in the shop with E-gear / Sport clutch job. Aston wanted $16k…. We are going to be cheaper. So servicing a 355 is a non sequitur. Who cares - buyers who hide behind that or are afraid of cost, are not people I want owning this car. Cheers! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If you're going to demand a super premium like $500K for your car it needs to be fully serviced, period! The talk about the original "Maranello" oil or whatever was said is pure mumbo jumbo Rob You already have another 355 to drive and play with, so you didn't miss anything, the low mileage one is like money in the bank, a blue chip stock most likely, so youre in a win-win either way.
Thanks!! Good analogy. With Kids in school and a business to run, a blue chip stock is probably better, but those are getting hammered now too ;-) It has had 4 oil changes - I did state that It has been dealer serviced once at the 3 year mark. I was mainly referring to the major items. The fact it has never been taken apart is so cool to me. I am weird, but I prefer that and search for that. I want original more than anything else. Car is far, far from neglected - it smells new! The AC blows ice cold! I am telling you that in 8 355 cars and 48 years of being a car guy (51 now), it is spectacular. And the next owner can decide what they want to do…..but F’it. I am that owner. I will classiche for sure. And the Damn recall, and hoses because you know that first hand - yikes! I am not sure I service other than oil and other fluids, but if I drive it, I will put a belt on it to be prudent. I would agonize over a Hill Engineering tensioners, LOL. I hear you though. People have been told something so they believe it is gospel and my only Gospel is the Good Book. Everything else is noise. And you are right, I do have a Spider to drive and it is glorious. Good luck on your search. Appreciate your efforts and thoughts. Cheers! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Just one side impact? Well, my car had a few side impacts in its racing career and even wound up on its roof at Lime Rock Park in 1996. It was put on a frame machine and fixed properly each time. It's probably straighter today than when it left the Factory. My poor F355 Challenge. Nobody wants you. You're not worth anything in this market.
^ Just to clarify, I wouldn't have any problem buying something to drive that was wrecked and fixed correctly. Soooo..... when a car looks like I could slide a pizza box into the trunk from above the front bumper, kinda makes me think it wasn't
^ I knew what you meant. Challenge cars were sent to authorized Ferrari coach repair centers for repairs. During the 1990s, the shop that repaired my car on several occasions worked three eight hour shifts daily to repair Challenge cars sent there. There was a limit as to the extent of damage that could be repaired. Peter Sachs raced this 348 Challenge prior to getting the F355 Challenge I now own... Image Unavailable, Please Login I was told that it couln't be repaired.
Hopefully that car was tucked away as I suspect someday sooner than later it’ll be “worth” repairing.
Jim McGee at Pocono Sportscar, who was actively involved with the 348 Challenge Series, told me that he didn't think the car was repaired. Here it is during the 1994 Season... Image Unavailable, Please Login Maybe it is tucked away somewhere, Joe, but Peter Sachs ordered an F355 Berlinetta in late 1994 and had it set up by Miller Motorcars as the first North American F355 Challenge. It was the only F355 Challenge that competed in the 1995 North American Ferrari Challenge Series. Here's a picture of the car during testing in early 1995... Image Unavailable, Please Login Note the prototype Challenge silencer with its three exhaust tips. The two outboard tips are burning the paint on the rear bumper. The Challenge grill came about when engine bay temperatures were reported as being very high. Pardon my going off on a tangent but this information might be of interest to F355 owners who have Challenge grills installed.
You have one of the lowest mileage F355 GTSes in existence in classic Rosso Corsa. In order to sell for top dollar when you have a low mileage car, it must look as low mileage and pristine as the odometer states. Spend the money and get the undercarriage dry iced, correct the paint and ceramic coat it so that the paint looks better than new, and get the car fully serviced as you would want to see as the buyer. Remember, you are the seller of the car at $400k, NOT the buyer so what you look for in a car is not relevant to your sale. Get it Classiche certified because buyers care about that and once your car is 100%, have professional photos taken, ideally in a photo studio. Once sold, your car will be tucked away in a Ferrari or high-end/low mileage collection or even a museum, so you will need to appeal to buyer's emotions at this price point.
I wld never buy a 355 (or any other special car) that bas ceramic on it, so i wldnt follow that piece of advice
Simple, ceramic needs to be wet-sanded off which goes against the first rule of detailing- detail as infrequently and as noninvasive as possible.
No. Compared to, "They don't come up for sale often." One is Spet, one in Oct. Now one in Nov and it just the 1st. And that's just the Bs.
In regards to B's, the one currently on BAT has been advertised by Merlin for quite some time. There hasn't been many unseen arrivals on the market. The market is still cycling through the same cars for at least half a year. It honestly feels like there's only 50 manual B's in the U.S and 80% are owned by Fchatters unwilling to sell. The euro-Spec B on BAT was a car purchased earlier in the year, sold by Issimi. I stand by my guestimate. U.S spec manual B's sub 30k mi, clean carfax, etc...... numbers are slim. Add desirable color/spec... even slimmer. The Giallo B on Bat seems to be a naturally well-preserved sample. Engine undersides and undertrays are clean. Engine bay is in great condition. Silver lines on the plenum covers are still solid. Early dual fuel pump car. Interior is in great shape. Needs OE floor mats though. Probably some sticky work done by StickyRX as well. Passenger airbag in good condition. Black anodized front windshield trim hasn't faded away. If yellow is your jam, it will be hard to find a finer example. It's also a 95 .
*When I say sub 30k mi, I'm not even including my cars in that category. My cars are only a few hundred miles away (and will be) from passing the 30k mark. Well below 30k mi will be considered gems.
