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  1. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    Have you commented on Max cursing to his pit crew again the other day? that is worse than anything Lewis does. Or are you just gonna do as others and give Max a pass?
     
  2. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    To that one could ask what is YOUR obsession with Hamilton?

    It seems that you only come on this forum to make disparaging attacks against him. You never talk about anything else.

    Very weird that ...
     
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  3. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    What is your obsession with hating him? Your obsession with him is actually bigger than mine, because it takes more energy to constantly hate somebody.
     
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  4. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    So in order to have a "great drive" you think its required driver make more than on pass?
     
  5. JJ

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    It sure helps. Is cruising around in second somehow greater driving than cruising around in first?
     
  6. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    Maybe. The theme here has been cruising around in first with the best car is worthless.
     
  7. JJ

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    It's obviously not worthless, but it's also not exactly compelling evidence of greatness.
     
  8. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    He managed to hold his position with a bad tire choice by the team. Didn't complain too much..put his head down and drove..and he is still a step above Russell. I'm not much of a Hamilton fan..but I gotta give credit where it's due..
     
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  9. JJ

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    Great, though? That's a pretty low bar, man, and if Lewis' drives were great then Max's (and others) were absolutely stratospheric.
     
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  10. tbakowsky

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    I'm basing my opinion on how he started out this season vs where he is currently. Let's face it, he had (has) a really bad car early on. It was pretty awful really.
    Benz has managed to make improvements to the car..but Hmailton has been able to adapt to it and get the most out of it for what he has to work with.

    The Redbull this year is on another planet. I don't really concentrate on Max at all anymore. I watch the mid field..its more fun. Anyway..only 2 races left unfortunatly..
     
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  11. JJ

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    Lewis is like 40 years old :D and didn't somehow grow skills as the season progressed. The team made the car better, with an assist by the FIA.
     
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  12. tbakowsky

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    I agree..but he stuck with it. With the way that car was "porpusing" <sp? I'm surprised the guy doesn't have a broken back..the team manged to iron that out. From what it was to what it is now..quite the difference.
     
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  13. absostone

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    William. You need to read my whole post don’t focus on the turd part. You missed my point. Me obsessed with lulu leaving the sport. Other than that irrelevant
     
  14. absostone

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    #289 absostone, Oct 31, 2022
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    And btw William. You always come to lulus defense also. Why can’t users here post how they feel about a driver. I don’t come swooping In On angels wings to protect max. Say what you want.
     
  15. JJ

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    This is correct, and no doubt Lewis worked with the team behind the scenes to help get it sorted.
     
  16. tbakowsky

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    Never doubted you for a minute;)
     
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  17. Bas

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    Yep...Look at the numbers. The Red Bull has not been a dominant car (i.e. a car well clear of the nearest competition over the season). This little fact seems to fly over the cults' head every single time. They think ''car that wins = dominant". Put max in a dominant car (i.e. 0.5% clear of the competition on average) and we'll have the most boring season of all time.

    Lets put some facts and figures here in this thread to show what a dominant car is.

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    On average across all dry qualifying sessions in the races before Spa, Ferrari's F1-75 had the quickest car, with Red Bull around 0.25% behind. Final figures will come out in 2 races time, but it's not looking good for the cultists.

    Factually speaking using Data and not feelings, Max is doing a far better job in lesser machinery relative to the competition that Lewis did.

    Number of wins is not indicative of the speed of the car. Before the cultists interpret this in the wrong way (they do have a habit of doing that), let me explain:
    Hypothetically speaking, a car could have a 100% win ratio but if the rival team finishes 1 second behind them every race and qualifies <0.1% all the time, that does not make the 100% car a dominant machine, as it doesn't hold a signicant performance advantage over it's nearest competition.

    Max has enjoyed the fastest car since Spa and it's been a total whitewash. If it wasn't for his team calling of 2 quali laps in Singapore, both of which would have put him a SECOND clear of the competition in wet conditions, he'd have 9 wins in a row now and 15 wins in a season.

    Max has paid his dues, driving significantly slower cars in his career and winning multiple races with them and a huge amount of podiums.
     
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  18. jpalmito

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    Absolutely true.
    As we said before Monaco 2018 was the turning point for him.
    Years of driving underpowered cars against the dominant Mercedes taught him to maximize his package.
    He was just cruising in Mexico.
    Very very impressive.
     
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  19. william

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    Nobody can stop you from having an opinion, but yours is constantly repeated using foul language and with not much to support it.

    You may not like a driver, and that's OK, but there are more civilised ways to make your point that using insults and expletives.
     
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  20. absostone

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    Ok William. I’m sorry the word turd is so offensive. But that word could be used in many ways. Have a nice day today.
     
  21. ktu

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    I'm guessing you pick and choose the info that favors Max. Riccardo beat Max 3 years straight, your stance in the past was that a driver can't be great if this happens. Also Max's team mate list is rated miles below Hamilton's. Did you leave that data out on purpose? Third, Max hasn't won with two teams like Lewis. Fourth, a quick car as Ferrari had earlier does not translate to quick race pace. Did you pull the numbers on race pace? Or did you leave that out on purpose? Also your stance in the past was that Hybrid era cars are easier to drive, which means Hamilton is more proven as he won in cars 15 years ago. I have'nt even started on 2021 controversy. Now you are trying change on everything you said in the past. But you want to call Hamilton the hypocrite.
     
  22. jpalmito

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    We can discuss everything without end about Lewis and Max.
    Both are greats no doubts.
    Just some stats are amazing to me.
    At 17 years old Lewis was fifth in his first formula Renault season.
    At 17 years old Max was a Formula One driver.
     
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  23. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Exactly.

    And finally, the data doesn't lie. Lewis drove much faster cars. Simple as that. Max did more with a lesser car. fact.
     
  24. ktu

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    Did Max having a dad who was in F1 have anything to do with that? Anthony Hamilton was not involved in F1. Different struggle for Hamilton.
    Again I Hamilton has done so many things Max hasn't I wont bother to mention.
     
  25. jpalmito

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    Agree Jos bought a full bag of talent for Max !:p
     

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