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  1. tazandjan

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    #2051 tazandjan, Oct 12, 2022
    Bob- And that was back in the day of the city busters since delivery systems were not too accurate and MAD was the strategy. None of our current nukes are anywhere near that powerful, but accuracy has gone up orders of magnitude. USAF retired all our megaton and multi-megaton weapons, thank goodness, since their safety systems came nowhere near matching modern standards. Last one was the B53. The B61-12 even has precision guidance capability, which none of the tactical nuclear weapons did previously. It also has a penetrator capability, which enables it to kill targets that previously required a multi-megaton weapon that exploded on the surface.
     
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    #2052 Rifledriver, Oct 13, 2022
    Thats a lot of ifs especially in a major metro area with a lot of military assets.

    Even as children we knew we were toast.
     
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    #2053 Bob Parks, Oct 13, 2022
    Yeah, I was thinking back to the 60's. Thanks for re-educating me. I just wish that all this would calm down and we all exercised some common sense. I'm going to contact the Wizard of Id and have him POOF the two megalomaniacs that are threatening the world.
     
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    #2054 Rifledriver, Oct 13, 2022
    Well I'd have to say without question we have 3 megalomaniacs

    Being a baby boomer and I guess you could say child of the cold war as I came to understand modern post war politics, I came to understand that it can never happen. It is in the World leaders best interests to keep it this way, us on the edge of our seats to some degree. It makes us dependent on them to keep us alive, at least psychologically.
    Its where their power comes from. If everyone got along it would only take 50 or so people in Washington to run things. Washington is our problem. Not our solution.
     
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    #2055 tritone, Oct 13, 2022
    Just giving this an xtra 'like'.......
     
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    #2056 Mule, Oct 19, 2022
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    #2057 Gatorrari, Oct 19, 2022
    That's quite a remarkable trio of aircraft to get in one photo!
     
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    #2058 tazandjan, Oct 19, 2022
    Yup, and that KC-135 is undoubtedly older than any of the pilots in the three aircraft, as is the C-97 Super Guppy.
     
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    #2059 jcurry, Oct 20, 2022
    KC-135 and E-3 are not the same airframe.
     
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    #2060 donv, Oct 20, 2022
    Still probably older than the pilots, though!

     
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    #2061 tazandjan, Oct 20, 2022
    Jim- Yup, AWACS started as an actual 707 and a 367 airframe was the basis for the KC-135.
     
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    #2062 Bob Parks, Oct 20, 2022
    The KC-135 was Model 717 and much larger and beefier than the -80 and 707. The KC-135 is one tough bird. Over-tough some what.
     
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    #2063 jcurry, Oct 20, 2022
    Isn't the Model 717 smaller than a 707-320, both dia and length?
     
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    #2064 Gatorrari, Oct 20, 2022
    I disagree, Bob. I'm fairly certain that the KC-135/717 was slightly wider in the fuselage than the Dash 80, and also slightly longer. The 707-120 was a little wider and longer still, but had the same wingspan. Only with the 707-320/420 was the aircraft significantly enlarged. And the 707-320 was the basis for the E-3 AWACS as well as the E-6 and E-8.
     
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    #2065 Bob Parks, Oct 20, 2022
    Yes on both issues. The 707 family had a greater diameter to accommodate 6 abreast seating to compete with the DC-8.The center of the fuselage radius is 6.00 inches higher than the KC-135, also. Big fight between President, Bill Allen and VP engineering, Wellwood Beal on increasing the fuselage diameter. Beal didn't want to increase the drag, Allen didn't want to lose sales. Beal lost and went to Douglas.
     
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    #2066 Bob Parks, Oct 20, 2022
    Jim, you're saying the same thing that I said. Model 367-80 prototype fuselage was 132.00 " in diameter and slab-sided, 717 fuselage was 144.00", 707's and 720 were 148.00".
     
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    #2067 Gatorrari, Oct 20, 2022
    The original plan for the 707 was five-abreast in coach, which is the way the Dash-80 was designed. Douglas found out and made the DC-8 wider to accomodate six-abreast, which is what caused Boeing to then make the 717 wider, and that was supposed to work for the 707 also. Douglas waited until they were sure that Boeing's tooling was finished, and then made the DC-8 wider still. I believe this is what resulted in Pan Am only ordering 20 707s but 25 DC-8s. I think Boeing waited until they felt that Douglas' tooling was finished, and then widened the 707 again, which Douglas decided not to beat. That explains why the 717 is wider than the Dash 80, and the 707 is wider than the 717! The 707 was supposed to be more similar to the 717 than it turned out, but they had enough orders for both to need two assembly lines anyway, so the difference in fuselage tooling was not a big deal. The result on the 707 is a bit of a double-bubble cross section; the lower bubble was the same on all three aircraft types. Of course, the final 707 cross-section is still in use: it was used on the 727, 737 and 757 and is still found on the latest 737s.
     
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    #2068 boxerman, Oct 21, 2022

    757 also?
    Diverging a bit, but why do we have all these 737 variants, why not just make more 757s with modern powerplants.
     
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    #2069 Gatorrari, Oct 21, 2022
    I've said the same thing. Instead of the 737 MAX, an updated 757 with new engines and maybe some aerodynamic tweaks would have been a better airplane. Even re-engining existing 757s might be good enough.
     
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