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  1. day355

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    Basically no...
    V12 engine, with the exception of 167 and an Icona (certain) and a possible second, there will be no more !
     
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  2. NürScud

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    Here is the latest PDF.

    Maybe Ferrari will follow Lamborghini for the V12 engine.
     

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  3. mepassione

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    For my own benefit do you mean a hybrid v12? What do you mean follow Lamborghini?
     
  4. NürScud

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    Yes. Exactly, but with more involvement in the hybrid part.
     
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  5. JTSE30

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  6. mepassione

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    So you think v12 and v8 are being phased out? I was told by the way Ferrari were mentioning phasing out v12 and the v12 in their latest quarterly statement somewhere although i couldn’t find that document
     
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    I meant phasing out the v12 and the v8
     
  8. JTSE30

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    From what is being discussed by Elkann, all combustion engines will be phased out...at least until Ferrari figures out that is a death wish and then sanity will prevail.

    As for 'V12 and V8' being phased out, here you go:

    https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/how-ferraris-new-le-mans-contender-is-a-statement-of-philosophy/10394029/

    The beating heart of any Ferrari is its engine. The decision to go for the V6 was made after a number of other concepts were evaluated, according to Ferdinando Cannizzo, head of design and development at Attivita Sportive GT.

    “In the very initial phase a V12, a V8, a V6 was considered, everything to be honest,” he explains. “When you make a decision you have to understand what you are losing if you go in one direction. Selecting the V6 was definitely the right path to follow considering the way our range of road cars is moving – it was natural to go that route.”


    But, then there is this:

    https://www.driving.co.uk/news/new-cars/ferrari-confirms-electric-car-plans-but-will-continue-producing-v6-v8-and-v12-engines-beyond-2030/

    At Ferrari’s Capital Markets Day (CMD) for investors yesterday, held in its hometown of Maranello, CEO Benedetto Vigna (pictured) said his company was “fully committed” to electrification and corporate sustainability, with a goal of becoming carbon neutral by 2030, but V6, V8 and V12 engines will all remain part of the mix for the foreseeable future.
     
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  9. F2003-GA

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    From the article link above :

    Vigna confirmed that there will be 15 launches between 2023 and 2026. In 2025 Ferrari’s vehicle split will be around 5% pure-electric, 55% hybrid and 40% internal combustion, but by 2030 it is targeting 40% pure-electric and 40% hybrid. Even by 2030, 20% of production will be of cars powered purely by combustion engines.
     
  10. day355

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    #110 day355, Nov 12, 2022
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    2030 is in 7 years, that is to say tomorrow !
    The 167 will be the last V 12, no other except for an Icona is on the product plan.
    Everything else is V6 hybrid recycling after the Roma spider and the SF 90 VS, then the advent of full electric.
    Have no illusions, turn the page after 167 and buy a Roma spider on the way in the purest modern spirit of tradition.
     
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  11. mepassione

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    I would buy a 458’spider rather than a roma spider for choice.
     
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  12. Metastable

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    Where has common sense gone? Batteries are not renewable. They cause a huge amount of pollution in water and soil contaminates. There are mining operations in countries with little or no environmental regulations. Not to mention an EV is more carbon intensive to produce, so you will usually will not hit carbon neutrality with a hyper EV by rarely driving it. Time politicians get their head out of their bottoms and look at the vehicle carbon lifecycle footprint and the possibility of using carbon neutral or reduced carbon fuels. 100% electrification is worse than current.
     
  13. tbakowsky

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    We all know this. Been discussed here at nauseum. They will do what they do..this battery stuff is a stop gap in technology. There will be another tech to replace it. E-fuel is another interesting product..ot is what it is..but it doesn't mean we have to like it.
     
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    After an 812 Competition, why would we need any more V12s? Reach perfection, then retire.
     
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    I'm sorry but perfection is Valkyrie's V12 1000hp @10,500 rpm - Granted there's massive price differential making the Ferrari a far better deal financially speaking
     
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    #116 ginoBBi512, Nov 22, 2022
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    I dont know why any of you people care about what Ferrari does, most of you dont drive your Ferraris at all, you use them for investments, so therefore, there will always be plenty of used V12 Ferraris, or any other ICE Ferrari for a DRIVER to choose from. If Ferrari never made an ICE again for the rest of time, who gives a ****, they put out so many good cars over the years that it would take 100s of years and several generations to come, to even get to owning and driving all their hardware thats all over this world . I mean how many iterations of the V12 do you people want them to build ? The Enzo and the 812 are it !! Its not going to get any better than that, and for Ferrari, its all down hill from there anyhow, so whats the difference in any case. Drive your ICE Ferraris until the *********** in power dont want anyone to use gasoline anymore. And as far as their V8s, get it straight, the F8 is it !! Its the best paddle shifted V8 that Ferrari has ever built and is ever going to build, its that simple. I could give a **** if Ferrari says its going all electric tomorrow, like I said before , they can stick their electric motors straight up their shareholders *******s ....

    Big G
     
  17. JTSE30

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    Not really, the in-cabin transmission whine is extraordinarily abusive to the senses. And, it is a hybrid (KERS), no thanks.
     
  18. JTSE30

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    None of that is the point for the politicians, it is all about much worse things. Eliminating petroleum will be the end of civilization as we know it...and that's their point. A return to the 9th century, thralldom for all who survive.
     

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