Oh, so you’re derek! I was surprised why no one posted these pics yet and I was about to do so myself. Great work!
NSX honorable V6 mention?? After driving the new NSX at the Honda proving grounds, I can see why it was such a dismal sales/value failure. Perhaps it was a "flagship" success? I cancelled my #2 position and bought a GT3 instead.
Now that after seeing corvette e is out, AWD with NA V8, I feel SF90 VS should just not be a light weight SF90. They in the end will be a light weight SF90 I guess. But SF90RWD like 296 and less than 1500 kg claiming mordern day F40 still wins my money. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I plan on getting both a Zora and SF90. I will be much more comfortable tracking and using the $200k Zora as a DD. The SF90 for special occasions.
Anyone know if the VS model will have a "Lift system" or will it most likely be the like the Asseto Fiorano version without it?
A Zora will be $500k. My guess anyway. The ZR1 will probably be base $150k with options running into the low $200's. The Zora (which will likely be extremely limited and numbered) will be base $350k but likely $500k with options. It will be GM's hypercar. Who knows, they could price it at $1mm....
These days Ferrari was testing a Huracan STO at Fiorano, and its dynamics were taken into account for some decision-making at Maranello. Therefore, I believe that the successor of the Aventador (V12 N/A + hybrid, and which will have a lot of performance and excellent market acceptance) will be a benchmark, and may make Ferrari consider putting the F140 V12 N/A engine with a less "heavy and complex" hybridization in an eventual "third incarnation" of the SF90. Remembering that emission control is not only about CO2, but also NOx, which is emitted in greater quantity in turbo engines. Therefore, a future model on the SF90 platform, with a V12 and a more modern and lighter hybridization, would have the desired sound, less weight, and would still be in line with emissions.
I hope your predictions come true. A turbo V6 in a flagship vehicle just doesn't sound very exciting.
A nice day dream for sure. But I would be surprised- though happy- to see the V12 in the SF90. My own guess for SF90 VS isnt that imaginative but I would imagine a bit more power, a little bit lighter, hopefully retuned for a more playful persona (with even more power.. might be at odds)…. Maybe the newer suspension from the Purosangue which does seem to offer lift and different firmness settings. I dont see them going RWD because the AWD gives them a point of differentiation between their own cars and also against the competition, it provides an acceleration advantage.. Some tweaks to the styling as well. Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
Yes, I agree with all of you. The N/A V12 engine on the SF90 platform is something impossible today, unthinkable. Even a daydream. My ''bet'' is really something impossible at this moment, but plausible taking into account a series of factors that may converge to a future scenario. 1) Ferrari, today, makes decisions based on shareholders. And shareholders are very, very competitive. And this competitiveness is so latent that they demand route changes if there are any surprises along the way. 2) From launch until now, the SF90 has had no direct competitors. Competed with itself. And even so, it is far from being unanimity in the market, due to the factors already discussed here in FChat. 3) Lamborghini is preparing the LB744 (successor to the Aventador), positioning it as a direct competitor to the SF90. The LB744, unlike the Aventador, will have very refined mechanics and dynamics. It will be a hybrid (but similar in weight to its predecessor), with V12 N/A, DCT, 1000+ hp in a much less complex package than the SF90, in the same price range and performance. 4) The LB744 will have the power and performance numbers that "numbers people" want, and will have the V12 N/A dynamism and sound that more traditional customers want. In the same package. It will be a tremendous success. The car is being practically unanimous in the pre-launch events. 5) The SF90, which until then had no direct competitors, will now have a very, very strong rival in the market, a sales and market success. And that will alarm Ferrari shareholders, who are very competitive. 6) If it wants to compete (and shareholders will), Ferrari will have to develop something lighter and more visceral than the SF90. It won't be able to compete with the LB744 the way the project is today. 7) The ball of the moment among the "green crowd" is NOx, which is emitted much more by turbo engines. 8) In view of all this, and taking into account that the SF90's engine bay is enormous, the less complex and lighter V12 N/A + hybrid would make the SF90 much more visceral, lighter and less complex, and would put Ferrari "in game" within that niche. And the F140 is a very advanced and reliable engine, which is in an advanced stage of reliability. So much so that it is equipping the PS, all-new. And lastly, I say this with great respect to anyone who owns an SF90. I think the car is beautiful, with a beautiful finish and construction.
Ferrari have to maintain compliance with the Euro x emissions regime. That is focused both on CO2 and NOx and is stringent on both. As for the dimensions of the engine bay, there is not enough length for the extra 50% length in the V12 engine. It just isn’t there without moving the transmission rearward like the LaFerrari.
Ferrari Designed the SF90 as a V8 Hybrid why on earth would they ever put a V12 in it. If that was the case you would be better to design something totally new from the ground up with the amount of time and money needed. I like most don't like this current line that the powers that be want everything to go electric its all a big lie this eco friendly line. I'd much prefer to see the LaFerrari replace have a V12 than the V8/V6 its looking like getting
There is nothing to suggest that a N/A V12 is lighter or simpler than a turbo V8. At any rate, all of the above are just assumptions about a car (Aventadoor replacement) that hasn't even been launched...
The VS will be announced towards the end of Q2. So still a while to wait. Also you had to buy an SF 90 to qualify for the VS, but you all probably guessed that.
