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Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Binotto. Or do.

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  1. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Oh god I'm getting excited now...!

    Brawn left his position at F1 last week...Italian media is now suggesting that Brawn could possibly head the team!
     
  2. DF1

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    What was put in their Espresso lol. Brawn made it clear on camera he is finished. He does not look like a gent ready to tame the mess at Ferrari. Not at all. So not Vasseur now Brawn lol. Who next Michael Andretti?? :)
     
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  3. william

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    Nothing to do about being Italian, Ferrari and Ducati are 2 completely different companies in terms of atmosphere.

    MV Agusta would have been the closest to Ferrari by the way it was run (in Ago's time that is).

    Sorry to say, but Ferrari today carries a lot of "baggage", legacy of its autocratic founder. It's not an "ordinary" company.
     
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  4. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    He will do a bit more fly fishing then make another comeback!
     
  5. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Brawn is still immensely respected at Ferrari, and throughout F1, and for good reason.

    He build Benetton into multiple champions, he did the same with the seemingly impossible to fix Ferrari, he then made Honda champions (fine, under his own name but very much a honda project), only to then transform them into the powerhouse of Mercedes, the most dominant f1 period of all time.

    Not ready to tame the mess at Ferrari? Please. Tired of the useless ****s at the FIA, certainly.
     
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  6. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    I do not doubt his respect LOL. The rumor is trash. Who next Andretti. Vasseur is not at all hired yet. Others have said no. Ferrari are a mess and a new leader will need to tame it assuming anything is done at all. Changing it now between seasons is impossible. Replacing Binotto brings as many challenges as it fixes. IF ANY. Bored of it. Ferrari are a mess and its self inflicted. RedBull and Mercedes are better for sound management reasons with Ferrari simply unable to implement it. Sad but frankly at this point NOT worth caring about.
     
  7. DF1

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    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/96999/ferrari-ross-brawn-return-mattia-binotto/

    --The report, however, details Brawn as only a "suggestive" candidate given the 68-year-old has only recently left his post as managing director motorsports of F1, with his intention of taking a step back from the sport.

    As was the case in the initial reports prior to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, Alfa Romeo team principal Fred Vasseur has again been linked.

    It has also been suggested that Ferrari chief executive Benedetto Vigna could take over on an interim basis.--

    So Brawn is suggestive LOL. But Vigna is the interim potentially. Nothing is sorted. Each day nothing announced is one day close to Binotto staying. The team says nothing until something is available to say. The longer it waits it to me, means an internal candidate is most likely if a change at all. Fun to speculate. Todt name is next if Brawn returns lol.
     
  8. Bas

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    Who is saying that a turn around is expected just in the off season? Pretty much anyone agrees that 2023 will be (yet another) lost year for ferrari.
     
  9. william

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    Early in my teen, I was a Ferrari fan, being starstruck by Phil Hill winning the first GP I attended.
    Ferrari was dominating the sportscar scene which was my main interest, although I followed Surtees in F1.
    My opinion about Ferrari changed suddenly following one incident I remember vividly: Le Mans 1966 where I spectated.
    It was the 3rd time Ford and Ferrari locked horns at the Sarthe annual race: a battle of titans!
    Ford, twice defeated already, brought a 6-car armada, against Ferrari with only 2 factory cars because of strikes in Italy.
    During the week preceding the race, Ferrari's team manager had rearranged the pairings and sidelined John Surtees.
    Surtees was at the time the designated Scuderia #1, previously a WDC, and actually leading the 1966 F1 championship.
    Surtees was almost certain to win another title, since Ferrari was the only team with a car built for the new 3-litre formula.
    But, since Ferrari could only field 2 cars instead of 3 as anticipated, Eugenio Dragoni decided to "bench" Surtees, for no reason.
    Dragoni was known to favour Italian drivers, at the expense of British ones. He didn't like John Surtees and showed it at times.
    Without Surtees, Ferrari's chances to win were lessened, but no amount of talks would make Dragoni changed his mind.
    Surtees was only listed as "reserve driver" in the programs.
    John Surtees was so incensed about the whole situation that he departed and headed home. Ford won, 1- 2- 3.
    The following week, Surtees and his lawyer had a meeting with the Commandatore, and the contract was cancelled.
    Enzo Ferrari had come in support of his team manager, even to the detriment of the team.
    Not only this potentially cost Ferrari a win at Le Mans, but they lost their Number One driver mid-season and forfeited both titles (WDC &WCC), all this for a fit-of-pique of the team principal, and against all logics ! A typical case of shooting oneself in the foot !
    I never understood Ferrari's decision, and I learnt there were many like it at the Scuderia.
    Overnight I became a Lotus supporter instead !!! Since, over many years of watching F1 and sportscar racing, I witnessed many signs of incompetence and erratic behaviour at the Scuderia. Ferrari is entertaining, but not serious about winning, that's my conclusion.
     
  10. sp1der

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    Byrne, Brawn and Luca? Guess Todt may also be at a loose end now
     
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    Flavio throws his hat into the ring too?:eek:
     
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  12. william

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    They are all 20 years older now !!!
     
  13. SS454

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    Call me crazy, but part of me hopes that Brawn, and by chance Todt do not return to Ferrari.

    One, if they don't live up to expectation (which is to be back winning championships in a year or two), then their legacy could get tarnished.

    Two, they have been out of the pressure cooker of a big time F1 team for 10+ years. It could take 3 years just to get caught up and used to the flow of current Formula 1.

    On the other hand, they are highly respected and it's reasonable to assume more people around the world would want to work under them.
     
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  14. Bas

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    Todt may have been out of the running for a long time, but Brawn was the key to Mercedes' success. Times may have changed but how to run an F1 team, has not...Brawn would be a hell of a sign up and since the team is starting with a good foundation (a quick car), the biggest thing he'd have to fix is something he has enormous experience at doing....if anyone could accelerate the fix of that particular problem, it's Ross.
     
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  15. DF1

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    Now that’s entertaining lol :)
     
  16. DF1

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    LdM lol :)
     
  17. william

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    I cannot believe people think about bringing back people from the past, to solve Ferrari's issues.

    Some of these folks are already in their 70s. Bless them !!!

    The solution to a problem is to look in the future, not in the past.
     
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  18. Kimi2007

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    I personally think Vasseur would be a good fit. I don't think he'll have any bones about prioritizing Leclerc.

    I think one of the biggest issues at Ferrari right now is Sainz's management and sponsors having way too much power. It is a known fact that as Sainz struggled early in the season, Ferrari put more resources into Sainz and getting the car to his liking, and the car went away from Leclerc. It wasn't just TD39.
     
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    Surtees vs. Dragoni goes all the way back to Sebring, 1963, Surtees’s very first race for the scuderia, which he won against team orders.
     
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    Brawn was a one of a kind. He wore both the hats of car design and management, and that's something we just don't see anymore.

    Ferrari have a good team of designers. They built a good car. One that was faster than the Mercedes outside of the BS TD39, and it was able to be as fast or faster than the RB18 at half the races last season. Ferrari should've won about 8 races this year, but the race operations side were a disaster.

    Again, I think if Ferrari solves its aero drag problems, other chips will start falling into place.
     
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    ^ ^ ^ This ^ ^ ^
     
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    I always thought it interesting that Sainz was allowed to make his own strategy calls, whereas Leclerc seemed afraid to even disagree with obviously bad calls given to him, which makes me suspect that Rueda wasn't alone in ****ing his races.

    I'd bet green money Binotto himself was making the strategy for Leclerc. It makes sense when you think about it.
     
  23. william

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    Do you know the exact circumstances of Surtees winning against team orders at Sebring in 63?
    That day Ferrari won 1-2 (Surtees-Scarfiotti and Mairesse-Vacarella-Bandini).
     
  24. Jack-the-lad

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    Yes. He told me personally in the paddock at Goodwood. (I brought up the race because it was the first major race I’d ever attended. His remarks were not prompted by me, he asked if I knew about the intrigue). He also repeated it in public at the drivers’ symposium at at Amelia Island. Dragoni ordered that Vacarella/Bandini/Mairesse would win with Surtees/Scarfiotti second. Dragoni even went so far as to protest the official results. Imagine that: he protested his own team’s results! The timers compared their lap tables with John’s wife’s, which matched theirs perfectly, and denied the protest. Dragoni was irate, and that set the tone for Surtees’s time at Ferrari. For some reason Dragoni resented Surtees, probably because of Enzo’s obvious affection for him. Dragoni probably thought an Italian should be leading the team, namely Bandini.

    By the way, John told me by way of explanation: “I never started a race I didn’t intend to win.” Racer!
     
  25. jgonzalesm6

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    I love Brawn......BUUUUT to subject his mental and physical ability to get Ferrari F1 at the front YET AGAIN is going to take a MONUMENTAL task and several years.

    I personally don't see Brawn replacing Binotto as these so called rumors say.

    IF he does replace Binotto, he's gonna need "carte blanche" with the higher ups at Ferrari because he most likely will overhaul the meshuggahs (Yiddish) at Ferrari F1.
     
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