812 Replacement Rumors

I don’t believe 0-60 will go as low as that. I bet high 2’s

 

to have that 0-60 need 1000+ hp and all wheel drive
also to only gain 50-70 hp with hybrid not worth the extra weight .
All the best

 

It will be a 12 cylinder mild hybrid including 48V powersupply driven by a startergenerator.
Similar to F1 technology.
That doesn’t cause much higher weight.
The Purosangue uses the same drivetrain, why shouldnt it apply on the 812 as well?

 

In regard of the things they wrote, 50% correct.
Design-no.

 

Looks beautiful, heavy dislike the possibility of hybrid.

Re the debate on height a few pages back, 6'3 and struggle to fit in the SF, GTS and competizione, SF is the most spacious for me though. Don't own any of them, o oy a Roma but hoping I'll be a le to get a 167. Prefer the look of the f12 to 812.

 

Any hybrid in the F167 and my GTS stays.

 

I’m curious.

How does driving a front/mid V12 Ferrari that is not the very top performer make one a poseur?




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I don't know what to think of such an uninspired illustration.
If you mix together a Roma, a Daytona SP3, a Purosangue and a F12,
you get such a mess.

What we know about the F167 for sure (if day355 is right):
- Homogeneous, flowing design, simply and modern
- Cars tail is short and muscular and has beautiful sculpted hips
- The front of the vehicle will have a historical inspirer
- Less long than the 812 Superfast (- 36 mm)
- Wheelbase also shorter than 812 Superfast (- 33 mm)
- NA V12 engine
- The design will be very different from the Roma test mule
- Presentation towards the end of 2023
- GTS-Version will follow later

 

- Front hinged engine bonnet
- we will all be talking about the roof
- All Digital + Haptic interior
- Will have full, regular production (5000+ cars)
- Will have a back window
- We will all want one

 

The term poseur is a derogatory form of poser- some one who is being photographed or acting as a model - insinuating the poseur is a sneak, liar or delusional.
Despite want most of us on this site think, many people consider Ferrari owners posers at best and poseurs at worst.
The reality is most people buy these cars for quality, looks and performance. If Ferrari has its “flagship” front mid V12 stuck with its current performance envelope when turbo hybrid V6s are outperforming it , onlookers will see us as simply wanting a “look at me and my quality/ good looking Ferrari” in effect a poser and possibly delusional about the performance(as good as it is, the goal posts for performance have moved considerably- forcing Ferrari to come up with the SF90 to keep the mark relevant. )
Ferrari must do better with its regular production car lines hence the 296(SF90 may be regular production but it’s price and relative limited numbers argue otherwise). The 812 has been the performance peak for the “classic “ Ferrari whose lineage can be traced back multiple decades (and kudos for Ferrari constantly improving the car to keep it within the performance envelope of rear mid engine cars- unlike the Corvette which GM abandoned its long tradition to offer the C8 rear mid car to up its performance)
But the time has come for Ferrari to up the game of its Front mid flagship “classic “ Ferrari or risk making it irrelevant vis a vis the current crop of performance supercars. I don’t want it to be seen as old man’s supercar- for lack of a better expression.
The reality for me is a new supercar has to have performance on par with others in the same era. If a V12 alone won’t do it then add (or subtract in the case of weight) whatever it takes to get you there with the least change in the characteristics of the car which matter to the the driver(weight, sound etc.)
IMMHO a V12 hybrid is the closest to it. The only thing better would be a mid rear setup but for a regular production car that isn’t happening as far as I can tell.
So are we poseurs ?- no- but I don’t want to be labeled as one driving the newest Ferrari V12 and getting my a— kicked either on road,track or at the bar.


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The 812SF and its 790 hp are more than enough for me. I could honestly care less how much hp any other car has. I do care about the 812SF’s connection to the beautiful GT cars of the 1950’s and 1960’s.

I also accept that a front-engined GT car is inherently disadvantaged dynamically compared to a true mid-engined sportscar, regardless of hp (or maybe especially if it has too much of it). There are already so many electronic nannies on these cars just to keep owners from crashing. Do we really need more hp?

 

Purosangue used 48V for suspension

 

Fingers crossed for the starter button

 

So if someone buys a used F12 that makes them a poser (poseur) because there are new V6 cars that are faster? How about a 599? 550? If your aim is to have the fastest car on the block, you’d better have deep pockets because it seems like there is a new fastest car once a month or so …


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Unless its like the CF one on the Purosangue.

 

Ahh. Thank you for the detailed thoughtful answer!


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An option of CF or glass perhaps, just like the Purosangue? Or maybe all F167 are GTSs? No Coupes?


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I do agree with everything you said. I intend on keeping my GTS forever more and yes it has more than enough horsepower for the road and it inherently has a disadvantage dynamically as a front mid car(seeing what MB did with the AMG GT platform I do think they can improve the car further dynamically)
And all of that is fine for the current generation car!
The next one has to be better from a performance standpoint for me to want to spend $500K+. Most production Ferraris (SF90exception)have been stuck in 0-60 2.8-3.0 range for years now while competitors have moved on using CF tubs to decrease weight(720S), 4WD(Lambo), forced induction (McL) or electric assist.
If the F167 doesn’t up it game considerably it risks becoming the Aston Martin of the Ferrari line. Not what I want to see to a car which can trace its lineage back to the great Ferraris of the 1960s


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Actually, I believe that is the entire point, to do exactly that, turn the V12 front engine regular production into what was originally (500 Superfast/330GTC), at least appearance/style-wise.

Ferrari has stated the v12 is no longer the flagship, never to return, current CEO apparently/rumored to want to axe f167 v12 and use a V6 instead...

https://www.ferrari.com/en-MG/magazine/articles/60-years-of-mid-engine-masterpieces-bloodline?amp=true

It began an uninterrupted bloodline of V8-powered mid-engined sports cars that continues today with the F8 Tributo and the SF90 Stradale, flagship of the Ferrari range.

 

My bets are it will look like an Aston Martin. Impossible for them to pull off the same elegance as with the F12 Berlinetta. Manzoni has proven to be a cool/innovative designer, but not an elegant one...

 

One thing is certain and irrefutable. When the 167 is revealed, there will be a large number here that will hate on it!


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In fact, it will be unique in the range, and believe me, unless you consider that a Competizione is not powerful enough, there will be more than reason.
What will change the game is the dynamics of the PS shock absorbers, "if" the tests are conclusive.
For the design, I think there won't be the controversy of the 812, because it's the opposite of the 812!
The back is...fantastic.
The car will appreciate in motion, in traffic.
Christmas present: there is a detail, which is an essential point in the design of the tdf that we will find if it is kept

 

Thanks so much day. Still fairly certain we're not looking at hybrid or turbo? The car article previously seemed to think hybrid but it seems unnecessary given output levels of the comp.

 

Don't worry