296 vs. SF90

Not looking for subjective feel after driving them both or why one is "better"...
I ordered a 296 myself. Never did I consider buying the SF90.
The purpose of this thread is purely to get data on the 296 and why does it seem complicated to find it... I looked for the same data on the SF90 and it seems equally difficult to find consistent data.

HP is easy. 663HP for ICE and 167 for EM
Torque. 740nm for ICE and ?? for EM
It seems that combined it could be as high as 900nm. Nearly as much as the SF90.

Is that real?

Anyone got the chance to see dyno results of the 296 in the qualifying mode?

Am really curious...

Wanted to compare the power curves of the 296 vs my 488.

Thanks for any help...

 

Not sure how exact it is, but on this site it seems 740 nm is the total torque, since the power curve is the global power curve:
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/curve/2022/3008810/ferrari_296_gtb.html#gsc.tab=0
edit: although it does not make sense, because then the 296 would have less maximum torque than the 488...

 

Exactly. I know this website... does not make sense unless it was done with the car (296) not set up to give its max...

 

Does this make sense? More likely... funny though that 740 + 315 =900...
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I also thought it was interesting that the fuel tank went from a full capacity of 78 liters in the 488 to 65 liters in the 296...

It helps to make the 296 lighter when comparing "real" weight vs "dry" weight. In Switzerland for example it seems that we are using real weight considering fuel tank at 90% filled + driver and luggage of combined 75 kilos...

 

The way I understand it that the maximum total torque is 900 nm - because both torque curves probably do not have the same shape, so that the point where the sum is maximum is not a point where both are at their maximum.
The mentioned 6,250 rpm is probably inaccurate as it looks like the maximum point of the 740 nm curve; but we have no clue about how the electric engine is used with the ICE (i.e. at which speed of the ICE the electric motor would run in conditions to deliver its own maximum torque).
Given that the maximum power is on the other hand the exact powers addition, what we could infer is that the electric motor is configured to deliver its peak power at the same point as the ICE.
At this point the electric motor may deliver its maximum torque (because from what I vaguely understand on an electric motor the torque is always increasing with power) but the ICE has already its torque decreased (power still increased due to engine speed).
So the maximum combined torque should be achieved somewhere between the rpm of the maximum ICE torque and the rpm of the maximum power.
Maybe

 

Thank you for this explanation. I guess we might know more the day someone bring a 296 on a dyno.
But that is what I find "curious" about Ferrari marketing (among many other strange or vague description/specification) that is published.
I will surely try to find out more as it seems quite "important" as an owner of such a car to get an answer to such a trivial question. How much torque overall (factory data) at max of both "engines"?

 

Combined hp and torque makes little sense in 296 except during certain situations.
Electric motor helps at certain given situation and otherwise free rotate or regen. So total combined output is put down to the road during very limited time and situation.

Sf90 front motor is seperated from ICE condition so it puts down power more with front motor with more instances and more time.

My thoughts.


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Super nice to offer data. Is it the 117 page marketing document ? If it is, I already have it. And the answer to my question about torque is not in it. I read it

 

The power being the torque multiplied by the rpm (multiplied by some constant, depending on the units chosen), the theoritical equivalent total torque curve should be possible to compute from the power curve, since this one is clearly the total power curve.

 

I am really curious to see the results from a "real" dyno test...