812 Replacement Rumors

How much heavier will it be compared to the 812SF ?

 

No idea !
it's too early

 

Vents over the rear wheels? This would fit with the "vintage" styling.

Why do I always feel like Hansel following the bread crumbs when reading Day's posts? lol

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Does anyone know the timing? I just realized (warranty) that I will have my gts for 3 years this March and I had an sf for over a year before. I thought Ferrari was in a 4 year product run.?

 

There are only two details in the F12tdf that differs from the F12B. Rear wheel steer and CF bumpers. Otherwise 6% lower gearing and 38 more hp. Not sure if that's the details being referred. Vents in the bodywork are standard in today's Ferraris.

Its a ways off but I'll start guessing. The 167 should start with the engine from the 812c without solid lifters and have lower rpm. Maybe another step up in brakes. Probably the screw drive suspension. Some active aero. Still have GPF though. And flat screen dash. Should be on the modular frame unless still can't get enough of that same one (12 years old!). All guesses but pretty consistent for Ferrari.

 

I also believe it will be. The 3 vents with the format and position as in the F12tdf are very classic. They are very reminiscent of the 275 GTB series, 275 GTB/C Speciale, and the F12tdf itself. A second sequence of vents near the door would also be interesting, as it would refer to the 275 GTB/C Speciale and the 250 GTO.

The 812 started production in the middle of 2017. So, combining SF and GTS, it's a 5 year timeline. Same thing with the F12, starting production in mid-2012 and ending in early 2017.

They are present in other current models, but not in the form and position as in F12tdf. In this case (F12tdf), the vents are in a configuration that become a fundamental part of the design, as a protagonist element.

The vents on the SF90, for example, are there (two on each rear side) but inserted into the design in a secondary way, which are barely noticeable.

 

Vents are vents. The rears on the 812 GTS are non-functional. Manzoni is the king of vents, flaps, and gills.

 

No, that's just a stylistic effect.
Take a close look at the Roma mule...

 

FWIW, generally speaking, those that purchase a (proper) Ferrari with a V12 up front do so for much different reasons and expectations than those who get one with an engine in the rear. Said reasons are why the terms poser/poseur apply (more) to the latter group. No need to compensate. IOW size matters…….

I have no problem at all with the SF90 being the top of the line. Let the posers squabble over numbers using the SF90 and let the v12 fly under the radar (see above).

Yes, the 812 is still true to the v12 heritage and is a real gentleman’s racer: no trailer/pit crew needed-drive to the track, win, drive back home. But in current form more “racer” than “gentlemen.” It is in fact the ultimate front engine production sports car made. (Perhaps the GTS is more of a GT, don’t know. I’m a coupe guy and not a playboy.)

More than happy with the current HP, more than happy with the current weight (yes). Even as big as it is, there are very few production cars that can keep up with it on track, let alone beat it. So at posted public road speeds, more HP or weight loss won’t be needed or missed.

Again, being a GT guy, I don’t care if they Aston-ify the 167: a little more sound proofing (for road noise, NOT motor) and a GT/highway setting on the manettino and replace the alarm clock radio with a real stereo. Given the current car’s performance, even freezing it would still make it an unmatched world beater GT and really not change a thing for the non posers.

IOW it would be nice to reach for the car keys every day (instead of the Ferrari 812 keys on a blue sky weekend) and run around not know you’re driving a Ferrari until you turn off the stereo and change the manettino.

I just hope they don’t go backwards to the bland/boring 550 styling…..yawn…..

Just a pity the poseurs at the helm want to kill what made a Ferrari a Ferrari.




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Hm... i thought you were giving us a Christmas present. And a present is always the fulfillment of what one hopes for.
But this here is a guessing game! Exactly my sense of humour...

 

@day355 so naturally aspirated V12. No mild hybrid nothing. My question: What displacement? 6.5L < or 6.5L > ?

 

We keep some for the months to come

 

Hopefully, lots of haptic controls to keep the demand down and I can get one!


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The entire rear deck of the TDF is different from the F12b. The slope of the window is more dramatic, allowing for a more pronounced rear spoiler. Also the under car panels are all CF on the TDF.

 

I've been looking at that damm Roma/F167 and then the TDF and then a regular F12 all day and am at a loss! My only conclusion so far is that the base F12 was just such a beautiful car.

 

And it still is! Look at the wonderful photos by Rainer W. Schlegelmilch (whole gallery):
https://www.schlegelmilch.com/automobile-a-z/nggallery/f/f-f12-berlinetta-2012/

 

Is there anything that visually makes you think of an swb when you look at the tdf ?

 

I agree with you on most points. The current car is wonderful as is (BTW the GTS is every bit a sports car as the SF is. I have said this before- the SF IMHO is the closest sports car to perfection in existence today- I loved mine- but for one thing- it lacked a droptop- I adore open car motoring- hence the GTS. The GTS is less perfect- a bit more cramped inside and the noise a bit less mellifluous than the SF due to the filter- but I still would take it over the SF. )
As for Aston Martinizing the F167- I hope not-I still love the edge the F12/812 cars have- meaning if you treat it badly- it will kill you. The fun is getting as close to that knife edge as possible without getting cut up.


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For me it's more 275 than SWB. To my eyes the SWB is more of a square proportion design whereas the 275, TDF, and things like the Jag E are more rectangular in their proportions. The modern cars, with their very long hoods make it difficult for me to see SWB in anything.

 

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Ok, it's either the F12 TDF's wide C-pillar, reminiscent of the 250 GT SWB, or the front air vent. I'm guessing the C-pillar: it makes the car appear a little shorter and more powerful.
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In a direct comparison, the small rear side window and the wide C-pillar oft the F12 TDF make the difference to the F12 Berlinetta.
This makes the F12 TDF appear a little more compact and powerful.
In this respect, the F12 TDF is somewhat reminiscent of a (250 GT) SWB which has a remarkable difference to the 250 GT Lusso in this regard too.

 

As I mentioned in my previous post: same (historical) design theme

 

Nice sleuthing. I was making a comment about the front brake vent but u also covered in the post above.

 

Seriously? I really like the F12tdf but perhaps you are seeing more of a difference than most.