In your post #2480 you focused on the technical differences between the F12 Berlinetta and the F12 TDF. And you nailed it! But if I understand day355 correctly in his last posts he is more referring to the optics of a SWB, which can be seen a bit in the side view of the F12 TDF. In his opinion, the three side air outlets above the rear fender are not (styling effect #2483). This leaves only the front air outlet and the wider C-pillar of the F12 TDF, reminiscent of a (250 GT) SWB. And as Caeruleus 11 mentioned in #2494, the modern cars, with their very long hoods make it difficult for us to see SWB in anything. So the Ferrari Centro Stile has not so many options to focus on this theme. But the slightly wide C-pillar is a good option in my opinion. But of course we are talking about very subtle differences here!
But even in this image comparison, the wider C-pillar dominates (besides the three ventilation slots). According to day355, it's not the three slots, so only the C-pillar remains. I did some more research and now found this little sketch by F. Manzoni regarding the F12 TDF design...
Short shifting way way early was he not? Looked more like slow speed reaction and stability testing potentially.
Contrast: @Varryx can you still access that area closer to the track as shown in the above video, allows closer observation and sound recordings
I expect to be spec’ing my 812 GTS fairly soon and have been told it will be among the last to be produced. However, if the replacement also has a V12 (as rumored), the desire to proceed with the 812 disappears for me. I imagine that it’s more likely that a V12 successor, is the last of its kind…and ultimately the one to have. If true, the lure of the 812 is reduced along with its value. Curious what others think?
it looks like they are testing the stability control system in the various settings. You can see how the car starts sliding then immediately straighten up and cuts the power.
Get what you want. I say a bird in hand and all that. There’s no guarantee of anything. What if the people here, as well intended as they are, are somehow mistaken, or Ferrari just changes their minds. Its an Internet forum, and we don’t owe each other anything- though I would submit, we owe each other good intentions and hopefully most of the time good manners. However, even if the info here is correct, you at least know if you love or like about the GTS. If the successor is as described, maybe it has a soft top- how will you feel about that? Very very likely it has some form of all digital interior- how do you feel about that? I am very much open to change but the loss of a physical tach, starter button removes some of the emotional response from me and the lack of physical HVAC controls I find just silly. Maybe they add some of that back? In my case, I would look past these things if the car itself is brilliant, as I expect it will be. Its hard to play the “last of” game. I think the GTS will hold value well and you could always roll the GTS into the next one if you want. I also imagine having a GTS on your history will help if you want to get the next generation. Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
that's got to be at least the 5th Ferrari for which we say "it's the last V12". So now instead we need to use things like "last V12 without GPF" or last V12 with a manual gearbox, or "last V12 which is not a limited series" (and that one was never true). Anyway just get an 812 if you like it, then swap to the new thing when it comes out if you like it better.
Life is short, any successor to the 812 with an open top is likely to be several years in the future, maybe 5 or more before you would receive. Do you want to wait that long based on speculation of when/if it will occur? What is absolute is any successor will have various intrusive nannies not found on the 812GTS, some of which may not be defeatable. And it will be quieter than the 812GTS due to drive-by noise regulations ever tightening noose. And it will have the dash of the Purosangue (all digital). If you are good with all that, I think you still proceed with the 812GTS because there will be many who will not want such an experience and you will likely be able to trade it in at full value. Plus, having an 812GTS will likely position you to be invited to be one of the first to order said successor and thus receive it earlier than otherwise.
The GTS is amazing. The next car we have zero fixed information on. Live your life now; not in the future.
those 'vents' were not something Mr Manzoni wanted to do initially for the tdF design. It was more of an engineering requirement that led to those fender vents being included in the final design. The fact that the vents became an iconic signature detail of the overall tdF design came as something of a surprise to Mr. Manzoni... Image Unavailable, Please Login
So true. Took my Speciale out for a drive (after not using it for a while). Reminded me about what analogue driving is all about. When I thing about the test drive I had in the 296GTB vs the drive I had in the Speciale I know which one I would keep. The GTS is an absolute blast and pretty analogue too. I would not hesitate!!!
Agreed. I'm less concerned about digital screens and haptic interfaces than I am about the synthetic integration of the hybrid systems. After getting a bunch of seat time in an SF90 and a 296, the distinction became very clear to me as to what eroded the experience. If the 167 isn't a hybrid, I'll happily give up the analog interface. If it's a hybrid, no amount of analog gauges, starter buttons and controls would get me to buy one at this point in their development.
Hmmmmm...I wonder where the common sense is in being triggered enough to make an inane forum post about...common sense? Last I checked, the title of this thread is "812 Replacement Rumors." Anyway, my point has nothing to do with an analog vs digital experience, or risk of waiting several years for another open top car. I already own all of the above. Rather, my post is about the allure of adding a GTS on the basis of owning the last great front/mid engine V12 GT car from Ferrari. Plenty of buyers pulled the trigger on the 812 platform with this intent. Clearly, Ferrari isn't imminently abandoning the V12 though. So, it begs the question about whether 812 owners that intended to keep the car forever, may choose to ditch it in favor of its successor...assuming the replacement is more likely the last non-hybrid V12 GT? As previously stated, I'm becoming less enamored with owning this car, if there's another V12-only following it. On the other hand, like many others here and elsewhere, owning the last of something (especially in the context of emissions BS) is all the more compelling.
Would think the only function for wheel well vents is to relieve well air pressure for higher speed considerations. There is a flap in front on the lower sill that diverts some of the lateral air from entering the well. You don't need the well vents on the hips. He could simply allowed air to exit out the back as in the 812GTS which has huge exit vents yet the dummy vent from the SF. Doesn't surprise me that what he didn't design on the F12tdf was what worked.
But don’t you want to drive something now versus driving something in 3-5 years? The GTS is a guaranteed hit, we again know nothing fixed about its successor. So why wait when you can enjoy ‘life’ right now. Unless you want to buy something and keep for life strictly based on the “what if” scenario of the “last” V12.
