812 Replacement Rumors

Out of curiosity, what's the average lead time on a 812 GTS between dealer calling you to tell you they got your allocation to US delivery?

 

I presume the EV-only thing Ferrari will show in 2025 is a prototype, historically, test mules should of already been seen. It will be their most difficult model ever. I doubt it actually enters production before 2028.

 

This thought has crossed my mind.

 

Good question. With four other F-cars on order, the 812 GTS wasn’t on my radar until the dealer asked after another client bailed late this past Summer. The gorgeous lines, removable top and presumption of it being last of its kind swayed me to say yes. I’ve not even spec’d the car yet and have been told it’ll be among the last produced in ‘24. So, it’s plausible that total time is well north of two years. Not sure what current owners experienced, but this timeline isn’t far off from other recent F-models I’ve received.

 

Has your dealer told you how many folks are in front of you and many allocations he gets on an average month so you can estimate a month that your turn will be up? I'm down to third on my dealer's list so I'll likely be up this or next month and then however long it takes from there to get the car delivered. But I'm taking this car no matter what its successor is.

Since you seem indecisive based on what the nature of the 812 successor will be, you actually might be better off at the farthest end of the line and maybe they will announce the successor before your allocation comes up, and then you can decide if you want to pass on the 812 knowing what the next thing is. That said I'm not sure Ferrari will let anyone make that sort of decision and officially release the new car info before every 812 is built or if your dealer would give you the next thing if you pass on the current thing.

 

812 a middle child? Doesn’t this line stretch back to 550? It’s not like 458/488/F8 which are all clearly facelifted from the same platform. 812 already feels very different in appearance to F12 despite being from the same platform and F167 is a supposedly a smaller-wheelbase vehicle with likely quite different underpinnings?

Last non-GPF, last PF front V12, last non-four-wheel-steer….?! I think we’re overthinking this somewhat. Only worthwhile questions are; is the car good, does it look good to your eyes, does it drive brilliantly? Then buy your favourite(s). For me the 812 hit the spot where the 550, 599 and F12 did not. Sounds like F167 might also be an attractive car but it has to drive at least as well as the 812 for it to be worth the undoubtedly significant price. No plans to sell our 812 SF because of it being TM. Worth adding an F167 to the 812? It’ll really have to add something extra to justify that.

 

Not sure who may be ahead of me. I learned long ago that patience prevails when ordering Ferrari’s. The process seems intentionally veiled in mystery…from deposit through arrival at the port. I divorced myself from asking too many questions, when my SF90 supposedly spent 5 months on the water last year and arrived at the dealer on the same truck as my Portofino M…which was on the water for three weeks. In contrast, Porsche tells me which ship the car is on, ETA to port down to the hour and when the captain is taking a potty break. But, I suppose the Ferrari mystery is a part of the allure…

 

A 2028 production will not fly with the Chairman unless the EU climate political landscape changes or he secures a major luxury acquisition.

Let’s see how much time he gives the Ram 1500 Revolution BEV Concept to production. In terms of market cap the first Ferrari EV is significantly more important vs. the Ram Pickup.


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I would say rather as a replacement.
I'm sure everyone will follow suit, with the exception of true 812 design enthusiasts, because the 167 is the opposite.
I'm very curious to see all of your reactions to his presentation.
Is it better than the 812: yes, by far !
Is it simple: yes !
Is it modern: yes !
The headlights generally date a car, which will be the case for the boomerangs of the 812, but not for the 167.
Do I want one: yes, yes, and again yes !

 

We get it, you hate the 812. lol

 

In fact, you have to understand the origin of the design of the 812.
The F 12 was considered almost too elegant and classic. The 812 specifications were to bet on aggressiveness.
Many agree that it was not the best decision...

 

Well, I guess it fits the client that wants their expensive machine to look the part. It’s funny, I see an 812 everyday, but seeing one in the wild, it always looks so menacing yet graceful. But, that’s me. Much to like about the F12, but it wasn’t perfect. Will be interesting to see the interior, and if the design is so timeless, I imagine that won’t be…and that’s what I see most when I’m driving.

 

I don't like the headlights of the 812

 

I don’t either, and I have one!

 

Do you think they’ll make a GTS version?

 

I think they’re interesting. Hate for them to look like a Mercedes or something.

 

Same here. Love our 812. Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

F12 wasn't just the last PF front V12. It was the last PF Ferrari period. Agree with your sentiment, the best Ferrari is the one in your garage.

 

In my market the tailor made cars gets priority. There was another car ordered in the same month as mine that is tailor made, he got his factory allocation in the summer and I just got my back in early November. Also they stopped taking 812 GTS orders in July last year so mine will be one of the last here at least. I’m surprised to learn that they are building more into 2024.

 

He's only comparing the design between the two cars which is purely subjective and only his personal opinion. He obviously hates the 812 to the point of being obsessive and because of this has lost some credibility. I've studied both 812SF and F12 side by side and much prefer the design of the former as it makes the F12 look too feminine especially from the rear.
I like Day am biased because I own a 812 and he owns an F12. The F167 sounds like a great Ferrari and a car I might change my 812 for but not until I've seen it with my own eyes.

 

I’m in a similar situation. Doing Atelier next month. My dealer’s guess is the car is here sometime around middle next year. My own commentary is if next year is the last to build 812, then I would imagine they make the change over during the summer break in August. Thus, while no guarantees, its likely 812 production ends July 2024. And deliveries could stretch for months after- perhaps into early 2025.



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Once the F167 is out, F12 will continue to age beautifully and the 812 will date badly, tried to like the back end but still can’t 5 years later.. Doubling down on my middle child view of F12/812/F167 lineage.

 

They are apparently building until the end of this year but 2nd half are normal spec cars not Tailor Made (no idea about Atelier). I’m not sure that Tailor Made pushes your build up in the queue in any way as the process for me in the past took between 10 -12 months after I locked-in the spec. This time I had to look in at the start of October 22 and they’re telling me build will be finished 1st quarter of this year - that’s quick for Tailor Made!

 

I‘m super curious how many 812 GTS will be built comparing to the SF.
Finally they will produce the GTS for 4 years and the SF only for 2.5 years.
If there will be more GTS than SF produced and if the F167 will come as a spider version prices of 812 GTS will definitely drop in a long term.
Bad luck for those who bought a GTS as an investment while the real 812 GTS fans won’t mind.


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I find it funny how we assign gender to inanimate objects so easily and find it so difficult doing it to humans. Anyway, I’ve always thought of the F12 as a gynecologist car(now hear me out before flipping out)not because the car looks feminine- but the rear certainly looks like a uterus (and has been discussed here ad nauseam)
The 812 fixed that but added other surface details which have taken some time for me to get use to.
In the end the 812 looks more aggressive and has more visible aero touches which make it somewhat less seamless and whether one likes it or finds it more or less timeless in design is their opinion. Meanwhile the 812C is even more aggressive but at the expense beauty or handsomeness
If the F12 was more TDF in design from the outset I would have loved it more. That being said I find the 456 one of the most beautiful Ferraris of all time with 4 or 2 seats, with its beautiful simplicity (go figure).



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