Looks like a lot of compromising, the flying buttresses are an odd addition, seems they are continuing the Aventador design with more appendages and now with the added complication of hybrid, but, at least it has a back window!
Who needs a back window when you r accelerating with the ferocity this thing will ! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Don’t agree. I cannot remember of many complaints during the past 20 years. The opposite is the case. 360 to 430: What an improvement in quality! 458: Sensationally emotional ! Speciale: Outstanding! 488: V8 turbo charged engine; awarded engine of the year several times Pista: The peak of the mid engine era. F8: The last of its kind. Sadly. Nowadays the focus goes on fully computerized cockpits with touchpads and screens like in an Apple PC and electric power sockets besides the engine cover. The main challenge of owners is to find a wall mounted socket where the battery can be charged the whole day over! We can be happy the 812 successor may at least keep its 12 cylinder ICE. IMHO.
Thats not quite how I remember it: People did complain about the 430 style- they said they ruined the 360, what about those weird headlights?! 458: people said no stick shift?! I’ll never buy another Ferrari… how’d that work out? And the Scud was better. Where are values today? 458 Speciale: all the early reviews said it wasnt really that much of an improvement, stick with your Italia. Early F Chatters all said the sound of the Speciale was terrible- a thread was called Speciale Sound Crisis (yes crisis!) Hows that play today? 488: They totally dulled the experience (they did) The rest are too new for perspective but I think hes got a point- every time people criticize- and every time Ferrari gets it right. How right is an individual preferences thing. 812: they ruined the F12! Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
I think the old complaints were extremely subjective regarding design and sound for example. A major critique would be the loss of the gated shifter. Any purists I believe still miss it tremendously. Today the shifts are much more meaningful. The addition of turbos and hybrids are a massive change the way the car feels and drives (please drive a sf90 to verify). The digital dashboard and 700 menus and Haptic steering wheel do not belong in a performance car. If you are driving it the way it was intended it is a huge and unnecessary distraction. I agree that Every time a new model there’s always bitching and complaining over the little things, but Ferrari is about to enter a strange new era in the automotive world. Let’s see if they can retain the feel and passion in this new world.
The main challenge is having to plug it in to charge all day? Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes … [emoji16] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
My perception was different. I was in fond of every newcomer right after it had been launched. Nowadays I have doubts when I am faced with the new generations. The enthusiasm is limited.
the trick is to have the proper mix of analog and digital in a car. the newer offerings are leaning too heavily digital. this is also true with engine/exhaust noise which is again hampered by technology. that is why you see the 458 as the epitome of the mid engine production. it has the perfect blend of analog with digital. the F12/812 will also continue this trend if the replacement uses the haptic buttons/screens and turbo/hybrid assist rather than analog tach and naturally aspirated engines. the F12 being the clear winner because it is a much better looking car.
Agree, except F12 being better looking, they are both gorgeous. Owner both; still can’t decide which is better looking. Prob tie up front, 812 side, F12rear.
I dont entirely disagree with you guys, but lets consider, if we can remember when they introduced the _________ (550, 575, 599, F12, 812...) then it means, even if we are as open minded as possible, our tastes are really more of the past, and any good company has to be about the present and future (while respecting the past). I think the new buyers of these fine machines likely love them. I remember talking with someone in their mid 30s who thought the 458 was just plain old......
Good point however I was talking to a mid 20's guy who only listens to classic rock (U2, Metalica etc etc). I would not write off the younger generation. They do appreciate analogue/mechanical items (mechanical watches etc). Its up to the car companies to educate them on why these cars are what they are IMO.
U2 is classical rock? Since when? The Stones are classic! Anyway, music and cars are two different things. Music is timeless, because there is not objective metric about it. Cars are technological creations. There are objective performance parameters, based on which they can be judged on.
Beat me to it, brother........ Sorry to be off topic, but "classic rock" does not include those bands. For all intensive purposes, "classic" rock died 12/31/1979.
But doesn’t that just make the point- whats classic to one person is really generational. For some U2 *IS* classic rock. Just like to me the F430 is a pretty modern Ferrari, but at this point its 4 generations old? (!) Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
- I was watching the Joshua tree video shot in LA in 1987 - don't tell me 35 years ago is not classic rock !! - its timeless and generational. There are plenty objective metrics wrt to music as there are with cars, watches etc etc. Point is one cant lump all 20 year olds into one bucket