F12 tdf market price thread

I agree, there are fewer F12 TDF's than the 812 Comps.... So it has to be a part.

 

Asking was higher i understand it sold for that

 

To be auctioned Jan 26th:

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az23/arizona/lots/r0062-2017-ferrari-f12tdf/1315802

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I am a tremendous advocate for the F12tdf but reality dictates that the latest modern LE NA V12, especially the Aperta, will be the one to replace it in a serious collection. They are all Manzoni products after all and new buyers want the latest. I disagree with their conclusion but there you have it.

 

You probably right for the time being if the 812c starts to sell near 2mm usd the aperta i imagine will end up north of 2mm and that eventually will be a wake up call on tdf prices. Long term though part of me still thinks the tdf will be the most special one among the special series coupes. Much better design/proportions, aggressiveness, cues from the past,and technologically showcased advancements from its predecessor that the 812 didn’t achieve vs the f12. Imo it has also a greater soul and emotion than the 812c and cleaner lines. No doubt manzoni aficionados and big spenders short term will splash huge amounts into the 812c/ca imo longer term serious collectors will appreciate the appeal of the tdf. I’ve spoken to many people collectors, auto brokers and dealers who told me they would the tdf if they had to make a choice. Time will tell. One thing for sure imo is that short to medium term the price dynamics from the 812 comp and aperta driven by the pro-manzoni will and should have a serious impact on tdf prices. It is no coincidence that tdf prices have rallied so much in a year compared to 599gto’s

 

The 599 is what it is. Not going to rise or fall in popularity. It has had its appeal problems starting with the title so I think references to it are irrelevant for pricing purposes. Can't argue that the F12tdf is just so much better to look at and listen to. But in the end they are Manzoni cars and if the V12 continues and he stays on there will be plenty of LEs that the younger buyers will fight over.

 

Is the tdf a Manzoni car? Wasn’t the design and R&D started when LDM was still there?it is also pininfarina designed right? To me the Manzoni v12 started with the 812.

 

My understanding is that while derived from the Pininfarina-designed F12, the F12 TdF was designed in-house, just like the 488 was designed in-house based on the Pininfarina designed 458 (I think even the Speciale is not anymore Pininfarina badged).

 

The TDF is designed by Manzoni.

As for the 458 Speciale, Pininfarina still participated in its design.

 

I would not go so far to say that it was designed by Manzoni rather than he modified the panels. You can tell the stuff he touched was not in the league of PF like the hood and rear saddle bags and it does not have the badge.

 

Yes I agree with you. It was based on an F12B completely designed by Pininfarina, and Manzoni only made - successful - changes to the existing design.
I mentioned in the post above that the F12TDF was officially ''signed'' by Manzoni, as Pininfarina had no part in the design changes from the F12B to the F12tdf.

It was different with the 458 Speciale, in which PF participated in the design changes from the 458 Italia to the 458 Speciale.

 

Another one came up for sale, european car
sweet price!!

https://www.automobile.fr/Voiture/x/vhc:car,cnt:,pgn:0,pgs:0,srt:,sro:,dmg:/pg:vipcar/359144893.html

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2017-ferrari-f12-tdf-7/

RNM, high bid of only $1,110,000.

Very surprising

 

Very surprising yes for a nice tdf given where they sell currently in europe. I personally think its a mistake to sell now i would have waiting for spring/early summer if it was me. Things don’t seem great in the US perhaps time for a fed pivot sooner than we think!

 

No.
Colors can make a huge difference.

Marcel Massini

 

I was actually thinking about that and the fact red isn’t the collector choice as opposed to rarer colours or the not so rare but iconic giallo tristrato which seems also sought after on that car. The best collector/investment choice isn’t red

 

Although my TDF is not red, I like them in red and it always surprises me that red does not sell so well in TDF’s!

This on the other is a dream spec in Azzuro La Plata!!

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https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13857753


May the Horse be with you

 

It is for a good reason the most expensive tdf for sale in the UK. The next most expensive being one in giallo triplo strato. The cheapest low mileage cars for sale happen to be in red ( with the car in rosso f1 2007 commanding a £50k premium over the car in rosso corsa). There was a car in the unique colour verde masoni opaco, low mileage which sold very quickly.

 

While that's true it still only explains why some of these cars have such low miles, it doesn't negate the fact that they aren't really being driven.

 

So is resale red not a thing anymore or just not a thing for the tdf ?

 

Resale red was a thing in the 1980s.

Marcel Massini

 

Exactly when Thomas Magnum was driving around Hawaii in one…

 

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=670607127

First delivery mileage tdf i see for sale in a long time..and not red!! Asking 1.6m usd

 

Value wise, RHD/U.K. cars seem to lag.
I guess the market is restricted by RHD and Brexit limiting arbitrage.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14423437

The ad says about 120 RHD cars were made.
I guess most are in the U.K., Japan, Singapore or HK but would love a proper breakdown.

 

I suppose brexit and the recent political instabilities in the UK create that arbitrage ie low prices for rarer RHD cars. In my view once the economy recovers, dust settle, i see no reason for those cars in the UK to catch up with LHD if not surpass values of LHD, as it used to be the case
the car you looking at ( white one) was supplied in HK which in the UK is less desirable than a UK supplied car. I would think a 10/15% at least discount vs a UK supplied RHD car.
There are currently about 78 or so tdf registered in the UK, but not all of them are UK RHD supplied cars. My understanding is that about 60 or so cars were suppplied RHD in the UK the rest from the other RHD nations you mention. In total that number ( 120) seems very plausible with maybe 60 ish being UK supplied