Scuderia Ferrari 2023

Ferrari said nothing. But what did you expect: sports papers want to sell, it happens in any sport. British magazines were always saying "it was David Coulthard year" or now talking about Lando Norris´ championship prospects. So what? Nobody cares.

 

And then you have gullible people believing that BS !

 

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Also amazing is how, somehow, people think it is Ferrari themselves making these declarations of superiority when in fact they say nothing. And worse, they get criticized for doing just the opposite when they say stuff like “we hope to be competitive and fight for wins”, etc.

Compare this to all the crap coming out of Merc and AM, for example, on how they’ve learned from 2022 and they’ve found loopholes and discovered where they f’d up, how they’re going to be in the hunt—but maybe not at the start of the season—etc., etc.

 

Hi Jim
Chill - Its only an opinion based on watching Grand Prix's for 56 years!!

Would MV have done any better in the Ferrari last year? Could have !

Its all theorizing which doesnt mean diddly squat.

Best

Tony

 

Sainz testing today at Fiorano. Leclerc tests tomorrow.

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Sure, tha's why they have more wins and titles than everyone else!

 

Some people are like saint Thomas...they will only believe it when it's writen in bold......gladly some of us have eyes and can use them!

 

Simply because they have raced longer than any other team.

 

There’s nothing ‘simple’ about it.

 

Ferrari entered 1052 GPs and won 242 GPs. A success rate of 23%4

Mercedes entered 271 GPs and won 125 GPs. A success rate of 46.125%. source "stats F1.com"

I rest my case.

 

The "silly statistics" season has already started even before the first race of 2023!

 

Ferrari is not Formula 1 lol. Its a well known team in Formula1. I want good racing within Formula1. I dont care if the teams are named, A, B or C. Good racing based on the formula agree'd by the teams. A well managed series. Teams are there and leave. We watch. Ferrari leave? I cannot prevent that, and that is something for Ferrari to worry about.

 

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In fact, I will correct you, because Ferrari wasn't in F1 since the Beginning. Did you know that ?
When the WDC was created, Ferrari didn't believe in it and didn't send cars to the first race, the British GP in 1950.
It's only when he saw the coverage Alfa Romeo got in the Italian press that he changed his mind, and joined the championship.
Anyhow, why should a team be privileged because it's still in the same premises? That sounds daft to me.
Ferrari is registered in the Netherlands, and partly owned by Exor with American shareholders. So much for being exceptional.

Never heard about multi-nationals? globalisation? Mercedes builds cars in many different countries.
So nothing strange in the fact that its racing branch is located in England. Does that make it less worthy ? Don't think so.
Even "your" Alpine team lives in UK ! So much for the Cocorico ...
You probably also know that most Champagne is not produced in France.

 

William, Ferrari won races before the 1950's that are not included.

You of all people know this.

 

Of course, I know there were non-championship races from the late 40s, until the 70s, I believe.

But here we are talking about the World Drivers Championship (Formula 1) that started in 1950, aren't we ?

 

Officially and technically speaking yes.

Btw, it wasn't just Ferrari that won races that were not counted but it was Alfa too BEFORE the 1950's.

 

Give them enough time and their stats will be as bad as Ferrari's. Look at McLaren if you don't belive it.

The difference is that some executives at Stuttgart will shut the team down before things get too ugly.

 

And they will be right. It will save people lamenting about past glory.

 

Now you want to lecture me about Ascari Sr, Campari, Borzachini, Nuvolari, Count Trossi, Varzi, Moll, Chiron and else ?
I know all that, and the pre-war Scuderia Ferrari, etc ...
You could add the Silver Arrows, Mercedes and Auto Union, von Brautistch, Caracciola, Rosemeyer, Stuck, HP Mueller, Seaman, Henne,
There were 2 attempts to create a Drivers Championship; one in the late 20s up to 1932, fought between Bugatti and Alfa Romeo.
The second one started in 1935 and was a duel between Mercedes and Auto Union that ended with WWII.
But they are not part of our discussion, are they ?

Judging by some posts, the millenials on this forum don't know that motor racing goes that far back.

 

Or anything after Senna LOL

F1 is a world mulit-national sport in production, driver origin etc etc etc.
it changes and remains fluid with new and different track locales, etc.
It is not static this sport! It is not about only Ferrari at all. Far far from it.

A wide lens is needed to view all that is F1 over time.

 

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