I'm going to assume the Somalia is tongue-in-cheek, and it simply means it's practically impossible to register it in European Union/USA/Australia and few other more established countries...I can't imagine it would take very long to register in countries like Albania, Bosnia, Serbia etc.
£1.1m is insane for a tdf imo, it's not worth an £800,000 premium over a standard delivery miles f12 imo
They are at £1.3/£1.4 m overseas if you think £1.1 is expensive. Also you can’t compare aj f12 tour de france to a standard f12 from a rarity, design, collectability and heritage standpoint.take a look at 288gto what’s the price ratio to the base car for a dar that is visually resemblant do you think the f12tdf to f12 ratio in comparison is that high? I bet you tdf 18 months from now will be way higher tan where they are now
To give you another exemple, 812comp which from a weight saving and performance standpoint are less of a departure from the base car compared to the tdf are selling in the usa from what a few. Fchat members confirmed another thread around 2mm usd ( pre tax) so £1.8mm..that makes a delivery mileage tdf look rather cheap at £1.1mm
What is certain is that the pleasure taken at the wheel and the memories made by the F 12 are worth much more than a TDF which will sadly rot in the back of a garage while waiting for prices to rise... speculation to the pleasure detriment is always something pathetic
You might be right but there’s always been an element of speculation in limited edition ferraris and to some extent this is what makes the brand sometimes mythical and magical. That said i have no doubt some tdf owners have had unforgettable memories with the tdf, undoubtedly of of the app tome great, and the emotion with that car starts by the moment you start admiring its beauty and then hear its phenomenal noise. I had an f12, an 812 and 2 tdf.,the standard f12 and 812 dont even come close starting from the moment you stand next to the car. The tdf is just one of those perfections which take you a few years back into the 50’s /60’s and a fair hommage/tribute to the past. Finally maybe to some people the pleasure of enjoying such a car ( other than admiring it) is the occasional drive would there be the same mystique if you were driving it everyday to sainsbury’s or to the local restaurant? Would a woman go to the gym with a hermes kelly or birkin bag.. it doesn’t mean she wont have beautiful memories with her chanel bag!
For me, the pleasure of a Ferrari, beyond admiring it, is above all to drive it, because that is its primary vocation and the pleasure it brings goes through that, because it is the only way to make memories... and what I am certain of is that memories are the only thing you take away...banknotes stay in the bank. In total, I must have traveled a little over 100,000 km in a Ferrari, and if you give me a TDF, I'll gladly do 100,000 more... no matter what its value will be after...life is so short ! 9 months to arrive in the world and a second to leave it... think about that when you have free time, and take the keys to your car heading for the mountains with your friends
For me the pleasure is a mix if all : driving, sound, admiring, history, heritage. Believe me i had a few ferraris which i’ve driven enough to burn large amount of money so i understand the ownership isn’t about admiring a car at the end of the day the ferrari experience is about pleasure and emotion and to me that comes with driving of course but not only. Some people enjoy buying artwork to look at thek why not with a tdf. Isn’t a tdf a piece of art as well?
all good points but there is a reality here that once a car becomes that expensive and has investment potential they don't get driven as much which is a shame £1m for an f12 to tdf or 812 to 812 is crazy to me and I wouldn't pay it on principle, the 'normal' f12 with traction control off is also raw and a handful
True. Although not always. Look at f40’s. A lot recently sold between 3 and 4mm usd all with a decent mileage on it. I bet whoever 3.5/4mm for an f40 with over 10,000km on the clock can most likely drive it a few thousands km more and still probably make a profit in a few years time.
I agree. It would be easier to pile on the miles for a TDF if it was worth $550k Vs $1.3m! Having stated this I tend to take the TDF out on more special drives these days and they are very memorable. May the Horse be with you
I love the TDF for the drive, the sound and especially the look. I get so much please looking at it everyday in my garage. It is one of the best designed Ferrari’s of all time! May the Horse be with you
I share the same opinion the tdf will be one of the top 5 greatest cars in the modern era, imo ferrari’s greatest modern v12, the most beautiful. For me my favourite ferrari, the 812Comp doesn’t even come close. Exactly as he said one day ( sooner than we think) people will look back at that car and understand it was the pinnacle of NA12 i’ll never understand why you’d sell that car and spend more for a comp. I would do the opposite !
vs 812C: Looks better (baseline Pininfarina design), sounds better (no GPF), can see out the back, weighs less, numbered car (fewer produced), mechanical tappets, no HELE, has a real key.
WSM says that the 812 SF has mechanical tappets, so i'm sure GTS and Competizione has mechanical tappets too. Just to correct your wrong statement Daniel
Show me here where it mentions mechanical tappets: https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/articles/812-competizione-and-812-competizione-a-two-interpretations-of-ferraris-racing-soul Just become you ASSume something, does not make it true.
First question Does this has a special meaning ? Studied your link, so I was wrong about the valve control in the Competizione. Didn't know that they modified the valve control from the SF, so the mechanical tappets are used in the TDF and 812 SF. Also used in the GTS ? Daniel
@Eilig Let us clarify the details: Definition; Lifters and Tappets are the same thing F12TDF vs 812: Direct comparison article: https://www.carmag.co.za/car-reviews/driving-impressions/driven-ferrari-812-superfast/ However, that is all relative. The intake manifold is a further development of the system used on the tdf, but hydraulic tappets have been used instead of the mechanical ones. F12TDF has solid/mechanical lifters that require lash adjustment at about every 50,000 miles, F12,812/etc have hydraulic lifters, never needs adjustment https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/f12tdf The engine’s sporty response is assured by a maximum torque figure of 705 Nm (up from 690 Nm) at 6,750 rpm with 80% already available at 2,500 rpm, resulting in unparalleled, progressive pick-up all the way to the red-line at 8,900 rpm.Numerous modifications have been developed for this engine, starting with the use of race-inspired mechanical tappets and variable-geometry intake trumpets used on Formula 1 cars which help boost volumetric efficiency at high revs. The F12TDF tappet is about 10x the price of the hydraulic tappets used in all other homologated V12s made in the past 20+ years: https://www.scuderiacarparts.com/part/421912/ferrari/254496/mechanical-tappet.html 812C/SP3 https://www.ferrari.com/en-SK/corporate/articles/ferrari-daytona-sp3-the-new-icona-inspired-by-the-legendary-victories-of-maranellos-sports-prototypes?amp=true Valve opening and closing is by way of sliding finger followers, derived from F1 and developed with the aim of reducing mass and availing of more high performance valve profiles. The sliding finger followers also feature DLC coating and their function is to transmit the action of the cam (again with DLC coating) to the valve using a hydraulic tappet as the pivot for its movement. Purosangue engine derived from 812C: https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/articles/ferrari-purosangue-unlike-any-other The valve train timing is all new, while the new finishing process for the camshafts has considerably reduced the surface roughness and the friction coefficient between the lobes, the shafts themselves and the hydraulic tappets. F12/LaF/812/etc use hydraulic tappets: https://www.scuderiacarparts.com/part/23882/ferrari/255431/tappet.html#fitment https://www.ferrariparts.co.uk/part/ferrari/255431 Hydraulic Tappet Dia 35
Completely different : parts list to wsm Now i'm totally confused, but i fear parts list is correct. But why this information on wsm ??? But whatever, hydraulic tappets, mechanical tappets, finger followers, i would take both models with happiness, TDF or Competizione. Daniel
