812 Replacement Rumors

Sorry for all my confusion!

When I first heard electric turbocharging I thought it did not use exhaust gas for anything. Purely an electric motor driven forced induction. I liked that idea because it would not interfere with exhaust sound.

Now after reading and being educated about it, I realize that it does - in one form or another - utilize the exhaust which makes it less appealing to me.

Well as they say, there’s no such thing as a free lunch.


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To get back on topic. Whether the F167 is a mild hybrid to boost power and provide power for an active suspension etc. to me is somewhat irrelevant. A mild hybrid will not significantly change the feel of the car.
But, Where do you experience a car? In the driver’s seat. You may have a beautiful GT car on the outside and a glorious V12 under the hood, but you have the most dysfunctional, laggy, video game in front of you taking away from the whole experience. I hope that they will keep the GT car classical inside. Anyone who doesn’t agree with me go look at a digital dash from 10 years ago and tell me how it’s aged thus far and how functional it is. Not being a hater but i pray the inside matches the outside.

 

I also prefer buttons over smudges, but sadly the 167 will have the PS interior as per previous posts.

Eh, the 12s are kinda full figured gals with just enough padding where it needs to keep them sexy. Some women hide their weight well, others don’t. They certainly don’t need any more added and unnecessary weight. After all, these are not GTs, these are sports cars.

Don’t understand why hybridization though. There is more than enough hp, even if you track it. No more is needed.

I dunno, maybe I’m getting soft in my old age but even when I slum it in my 6 yo Vanquish with a lowly 600 hp, it has more than enough power to break loose the rears and have some fun……and NO electric steering!!!

As long as the 167 remains a sports car, keep the weight down.





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Do you mean the air intake (= not a big grille) of the SF90 in general or the "tongue" of the SF90?
Will the new F167 also stick its tongue out at the viewer like the SF90?

 

Yes, no big mouth ...

 

I’ve always noticed this and I hate it

 

The engine requires fresh air for cooling and combustion, so if no big entry, that means big hood vents/scoop(s) and/or under-carriage intake (but that would disrupt airflow/downforce), maybe NACA ducts on the hood? Still, must be more air flow for the radiators...will be curious to see what it is...

 

The entrance is important...
I'm talking about the shape

 

I would argue 167 like the 815 and all those before it are not a sportscar so to speak they are the original, Purest form of a Gran Tourer (GT) but that
over time the label has been watered down resulting in the class of car that can use that label. Sadly newer car enthusiast have accessed it. Just like the Term Supercar has been watered down. F40s and 959s etc are the purest in that label.

 

WOW...Lambo steps it up.

 

for Ferrari it is packet of peanuts for what they earn.
And how i wish they did.
Most of manufacturers can't afford to go develop new ice let alone v12.

 

Brand new 9,500 RPM, 813 hp V12… Lamborghini actually cares about history and tradition. They create products for their customers, not to appease some make believe world full of progressive lunatics. Ferrari should take note. Seeing Lamborghini go this route gives me hope we could see a new v12 beyond the 167.

 

I'm Lambo fan but next Huracan will have V8 turbo from Urus and I don't think customers want this at alll

 

You do realize Ferrari already did this nearly 2 years ago, correct? And not hybrid. And that engine is in the 812c,812cA and SP3, and it could be in the F167 as well, 9500 RPM and 819HP (or more).

 

You mean from Porsche, the Urus engine is from Porsche.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2018-lamborghini-urus-shows-porsche-40-liter-twin-turbo-v8-in-latest-teaser-121632.html
The Urus hybrid engine is also from Porsche.
The Urus is a Porsche/Audi mixture with a Lamborghini badge.

 

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Of course. I was speaking to the fact that they developed a brand new V12 for use in regular production cars that I assume will span the next 10 years. I have no doubt the current Ferrari V12 is the superior engine. I can only imagine how incredible a brand new V12 from Maranello would be, but we will never see that day.

I am impressed with the direction Lamborghini has chosen to pursue with their product strategy. With the exception of the Purosangue, which is a hilarious middle finger to Greta worshippers around the world (i assume the basis for this model was conceived prior to current management), Ferrari is willingly folding into the to ESG nonsense. Lamborghini is pushing back and finding ways to keep their lineup (regular production) exciting and true to the brand.

If day355 is to be believed (and he’s batting nearly 1.000 with his prior insights) upper management at Ferrari is doing everything in their power to kill the V12. If they had it their way, 167 wouldn’t exist. Beyond that, maybe we get it in a few iconas that will never leave the garage? New hypercar is a V6 for crying out loud.

This is not to say that I am not impressed with their recent creations. I absolutely love the 296. It oozes charisma, sounds better than the TTV8’s and is one of the more beautiful F cars in a long time. But it doesn’t change the fact that they could have made an NA V8 screamer with a 10,000 rpm redline likely exceeding 700 hp and saving several hundred pounds.

I am making a lot of assumptions here so take it with a grain of salt. It is just a bit disappointing to see one of Ferraris biggest (and in my eyes, inferior) rivals pursing an much more exciting product while Ferrari is seemingly over here playing with their food doing everything they can not to offend anyone or send the “wrong” message.

 

Disappointing for sure. But if rumors are to be believed (and they are just rumors), the turbos will not be active up to 7,000 rpm with the engine operating effectively NA then will kick in up to the 10,000 rpm redline. Kind of sounds like some BS a teenager made up, but if true that is certainly a more exciting power unit than simply throwing in the towel and going TTV6 hybrid, right?

 

glad it's NA but I was hope for 5,5 liter red line over 10k

 

hard to belive but would be very interesting idea

 

Personally, I don't see the point of going with a 1000 hp V 12 on a heavy car where everything is filtered by a computer.
Let's stop for 20 seconds and think about it, what's the point on the open road ? none, it is unusable, because at the slightest error the inertia due to the weight sends you to the top of a tree.
It's the same problem for Ferrari, there is already far too much power and weight in an F12, 812 and its two derivatives... I don't have two left hands, but I can't manage to use my F 12 on the open road, it is too difficult.
So why always more hp and weight, it has no interest in terms of piloting.
That's why I love Murray's vision, he absolutely understood everything !!!
And to another extent, I loved driving the STO in the mountains, why, because everything is right and in line, which gives a rare homogeneity to the car, because all its elements work in osmosis and nothing is oversized !
We are at the power level or, in my opinion, we must focus on the weight and reduce the power.
Constantly sending Ferrari the only signal of always more hp today is a huge mistake...

 

That’s odd you can’t drive your f12. I have never had a single problem with the power of the 812. I don’t turn everything off on the road though.

 

Right or wrong, it's because power sells cars. Soon, Tesla fan bois everywhere will be able to achieve G-LOC on their way to Starbucks...becoming the new performance metric supercars are measured against.