Hamilton deserves more respect

And thanks for lecturing me, it's a rare commodity when we actualy learn something usefull on such a thread!

 

Elton would never have such dilemas since he's a vegan!

 

I would take boring off track and exciting on the track over a driver that is "exciting" off track and boring on track.

In the last 9 years, Hamilton has done nothing exciting on track except when he crashes into other drivers. He has had some solid drives, but is there any moments that can be singled out as spectacular? One's that aren't simply a highlight to a dominant car.

 

Youtube is your friend.
Google is your friend.
The internet is your friend.
Seems like you hadn't watched F1 in a decade.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dTNzPk13ys


And for true epicness, my favorite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUfXX1ig_1U

 

Oh I’m sure he loves the meat!

 

Yes, he can drive. And yes he has tied MS for 7 WDC titles. But the fact is that even if he gets an 8th, he is still old news. The newer and younger stories have already passed him by. Alonzo, with only 2 titles and a long untitled history since, is a more interesting and exciting story than Hamilton.

 

You're bringing up Sid(F355Spyder(banned)) connotations there buddy.

 

Now we know why ....................

 

The bet is on. Lets see how many post and media coverage Hamilton gets this year vs Alonso. So far Hamilton thread is winning, wait does Alonso have a thread?

 

I appreciate the effort to your post. But did you notice that most of those clips are pre 2014?

 

I think it can be a good thing to remenber the past, but not when it sucked!

 

Both before and after 2014. It doesn't matter. Just bringing to your awareness he's had excellent drives.
Not exciting as ramming another driver off track, but still exciting drives.

 

No one is disputing that he hasn't had great drives.

 

I was specifically talking about 2014-current. As I said, some great drives, but not a lot of exciting stand out moments. Passing Alonso in 2018 with a car 3 seconds faster isn't that impressive. Some impressive poles, but they were done in cars that were ridiculously dominant to begin with. That takes away from how impressive the laps were. Making passes with a trademark push off the track maneuver once again is not a spectacular highlight. Despite 81 wins he's had since 2014, its hard to recall any exciting moments from Lewis, which to me, makes him a boring driver since that time. But he does wear purple sparkly oversized clothes.

 

Bro. That goal post is moving fast. Wake me up win some one wins on 3 tires.

 

He was lucky that Max pitted and had over a 30 second lead to complete the final lap, where he lost 25+ seconds in half a lap. He was lucky the tire didn't disintegrate or even half the tread carcass fall off. It was a crazy moment, no doubt. Was it down to Lewis being an incredible driver? I don't know about that.

 

Ok. All luck. Thanks for clearing that up. Wake me up when some one else gets lucky.

 

So is every win and over take, and pole for Max now boring, expected, and just as worthless as LH's? What about last year, as by definition, Max and Redbull dominated, so are all them wins, poles, and overtakes boring, expected, and worthless? is every season in which it was won in dominating fasion boring, expected, and worthless?

Or does it only count for LH?

 

Since it seems to be important to you, we can analyze a bit. Max was 34 seconds behind when Lewis had his tire failure. He finished 5.856 behind, both maximum push, and both (for sure Lewis) with clear tracks. So Lewis lost about 28-28.5 seconds in half a lap. Carlos Sainz also had a tire failure, a couple corners after Lewis did, but a much worse failure, the tire blew apart down the hanger straight. Best I could find, Carlos was 3.766 seconds behind Leclerc around the time of his failure, and finished 34.896 behind Leclerc at the end of the race. So Carlos lost 31.130 seconds with a much worse tire, a car that is 1.5 seconds slower than the Mercedes, and had to allow at least 8 cars passed on his lap.

I wish I could find actual lap times, but my quick search didn't find it. But the more I look at it, the more I see that the "3 wheel win" was something a lot of other drivers could have done just the same.

 

I saw Alonso bring his Mclaren into the pits on 2 wheels. I've never seen that in F1 history.

So if Lewis can win in 3 wheels, I'm sure Alonso can do it just the same.....or 2 wheels maybe(????).

 

I never said Lewis' wins or poles were worthless. I don't know how many times I can say he has had some amazing drives. Since 2014 he simply has not had very many spectacular moments, a lot of that can be contributed to having absolute dominant cars to the point he had virtually no competition. Can it be called anything other than boring? He takes a car that is 1 second faster than the next best car, builds a quick 5 second lead, and then plays it safe for the next 50-60 laps and the Mercedes still wins by 30-40 seconds over their closest rival. That was the majority of his wins. Boring!

Max winning without competition can be considered as boring too, same as Vettel, same as Schumacher. There is a reason why the FIA changed the rules over and over to stop Ferrari. The difference with Max, is he never had a dominating car. The Ferrari was equal or better for the first 11 races of 2022. It really wasn't until the Mercedes biased rule change came into play at Spa where Red Bull was flat out the best car, with the exception of Brazil where Mercedes was. Pretty crazy to win 15 races and 454 points despite only 7 poles in a car that wasn't dominant. 2021, Max won the world championship when Mercedes was still the best car.

Lewis's most amazing and exciting driving was done pre 2014, without question. Watch the highlights that @ktu posted, and there is some good stuff from his McLaren days. I thought he had some great drives in 2022, but was there really anything amazing? No. He just puts in fast consistent laps and eventually gets a result. When he does race with other drivers, it always seems to come with controversy.

 

Yeah I calculated that sitting on my couch while watching also. The win looked so easy I could do it in a heartbeat. Opening up a can of worms man, give it up.

 

LOL.
Driver wins a race with damaged tire, Fchat:
Not impressed.

Driver pulls into pit with damages tires, Fchat:
Awsome skills!

 

I never find it boring watching a driver making a break from the opposition, creating a gap and then managing it until the flag, even if he had a "superior" car. I see it as logical. I don't need to see constant battles on the track to be satisfied.
Different people have different expectations about racing.
F1 doesn't promise you constant action all race long; there are other series that may provide that.
Oval tracks tend to deliver the type of action you may be seeking; try sprint cars or midget racing, there is no boredom there !!

 

That's the thing though, unless you subscribe to the idea that Lewis is the greatest of all time bar none, no questions asked...you are forever known as a hater. Doesn't matter if you praise him for certain things, it has to be complete. His Lewisness can do no wrong. Everything is because of his amazingness. There is no wiggle room whatsoever.