LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

This car will be extreme at this extent ?

 

It's not a Valkyrie, because you have to be able to get in and out of a car with dignity, without crawling like in military training .
It is said that the performance is of this order...no more questions about this car please

 

I understand and agree. If it is not V12 it is disappointing. As for the usability, I dont think they have much choice. If the Valkyrie is the target, the car will be compromised


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The Valkyrie better be the target. If they don't make it faster, than it's gonna be a failure.

 

I am actually very pleased if it happens that the LaFerrari is the last V12-powered hypercar. I have at least 2 reasons in my pocket to think so.

Also funny as it is, Ferrari CEO-s preferred to use V12 in Purosangue to help selling their SUV/FUV, rather than assure us that a V12 will be powering the top of the range hypercar again.

The next hypercar will be a technical feast for sure, having "only" a V6 but at least doubled the max power (in Quali-mode) by means of the electric motors.
In the push of digital performance, no sentiments, just numbers, that is what counts.

I am also afraid that Ferrari styling will not go for more organic shapes (compared to last mid engine models), so the overall look can appear a bit disjointed.

Never heard of Ferrari building that car as a Valkyrie counterpart, but there was mentioned by someone a 499P-LMHypercar based "road" car that would join the AM Valkyrie un-usability club.

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Current Ferrari strategy about "numbers over all" should definitely suit you. And yet you look not happy.

 

Who could drive a Valkyrie at its limit on a twisty open road ?
Nobody
Even for a professional driver.
Too powerful
Too heavy
Too radical.
I bet a cayman GT4 would put this car behind with a reasonably skilled driver at the wheel..

 

Heavy? It's one of the lightest hypercars.

Now I am sure that are kidding.

 

More than 1450 kgs is light ?
No I wasn’t kidding about the GT 4
But I won’t convince you

 

1370 kg dry, which is about the weight you have mentioned wet. That is light nowadays. A Cayman GT4, with about 1/3rd of the power, weighs exactly the same!

 

Of course I'm not happy if it's gonna have a GARBAGE engine. A Volkswagen has a V6, for ****'s sake.
If Aston could use a V12 for the Valkyrie, why can't Ferrari do it ?!?
Strip the car of all the feature comforts, all the electronics, use carbon wheels and there you have it, it's gonna be light.
Add a NA V12 or V10 and it's gonna be just perfect.

 

No other supercar can beat the Valkyrie on a track atm, which means it's the king of supercars.

 

Agree

 

The Valkyrie is full of electronics. Cars are faster and better with electronics. Get real, pls.

 

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Which is funny is that the entire bodywork is fake
They already did it with the Laferrari mules.
The only automotive factory to do this with its mules I guess ?

 

In fact, I bet that nobody is going to say the twin-turbo V6 engine of the next Ferrari hypercar is a garbage.
Every car lover would prefer a V12 to a V6 but the company has its own goals.
The V12 is not on the future development map of Ferrari. The V6 is - and will be powering all future Ferrari hybrids. The last V12-s will be utilized in Puro, upcoming 812SF successor, and icona models, so V12-s demand will be accompanied by the proper cash flow to the factory.

Also, in the Ferrari book, a modern day road hypercar has to provide decent usability and comfort even as a daily driver's car, besides offering top level performance.

The numbers about its performance will look staggering, despite being loaded with quite heavy batteries. So do not expect a light-weight, stripped down track toy, but a very very fast and capable road car (hypercar) packed with latest tech. That of course involves even more electronics.

We are on the road from V12 to V6 to ... 900V and to paraphrase the Ferrari motto - "the best Ferrari is the one just built previously".

 

Yes they will.

It's current goals are utter GARBAGE. The only goal Ferrari should have is to please it's customers.

It should be.

And this will drive away Ferrari fans and potential customers.

None of these are extreme hypercars, nor are they as desirable.

It doesn't have to provide any of that daily usability crap. A hypercar should provide incredible driving experience, sound and lap times.
Those who want usability can go buy an F8 or a 812.

Heavy cars and batteries suck.

The top of the linecar should be exactly that.

Which means it will be GARBAGE.

We are on the road to Ferrari losing it's soul. Smaller displacement engines suck. Electric cars suck.
Taking track only cars out of the equation, to this day, the F40 and F50 are still praised as the best cars Ferrari has ever built.
You know why ? Cause they are as light as they can be and as engaging as they can be, the driver is the one doing all the driving, not some stupid computers.
I don't need everyday usability and any of that crap. Anyone who has enough money to buy a top end Ferrari can also buy a gazillion other regular cars for daily use.

 

Cars are not better with electronics, I want to do all the driving, not a stupid computer.

 

Perfectly said !

 

You're taking the problem upside down, let's say that without electronics there wouldn't be enough customers left to buy the next one

 

Nah, not really. If you drive an F40 you will see why,

Objectively they are. You can not argue with the numbers!

 

this.

ferrari couldn't build a car without electronics as it would be extremely dangerous at the power levels customers demand

 

Are you good folks unfamiliar with the notion of legislation? ESP and ABS are mandatory. Ferrari wouldn't be allowed to build a car without electronics, even if they wanted to! Of course the electronics make the cars more driveable and quicker, but if one feels suicidal he/she can always turn them off and die like a hero...

 

what the heck is a V6TT engine?

V6 turbo something?