I think I'd rather have the future electric Ferrari than the current V12 SUV. At least it still can look good. Well, although they can make an electric SUV.
Comparisons are always made stock for stock. Mainly due to the costs involved. Even more drive even cheaper cars.
Seems and odd place to put a starter....except in an airplane. What is Ferrari thinking? I still prefer an actual mechanical tachometer rather than the digital version. Rolex hasn't gone digital....
Seems rather pointless to even have the "start/stop" function (euphemistically called 'High Emotion, Low Emissions' or HELE) at all. 100% agreed on a full analog tachometer!
To understand why things are the way they are... Engine start-stop is categorized as an "off-cycle" technology by the US EPA. It is meant to achieve CO2 reductions that are not reflected in prevailing pollution test procedures. Active aerodynamics to reduce drag and therefore decrease fuel consumption (by a tiny bit) is also categorized similarly. Implementing these things in a vehicle allows a manufacturer to obtain off-cycle credits, which help the manufacturer meet the incessantly tightening emission requirements. Because it is so hard for performance cars to meet such requirements, every little thing counts for a manufacturer. Moreover, the EPA will only allow the start-stop credit if that's the default mode of operation: you can't disable it permanently, and upon every power cycle, the car must be in start-stop mode. If an owner defeats start-stop (e.g. electronically) , it is "illegal" in the same sense as removing your catalytic converters is illegal.
First, thank you for the deep dive on this topic. What I have found is this: because Ferrari did not apply for said credits, it is completely optional and Ferrari should of never included HELE in its USA cars, at least through 2019. And, of course, the in-cabin button provides a built-in "defeat" device...not illegal because Ferrari never applied for the credits: https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-01/documents/420r21003.pdf Page 97 and other references found by searching the above doc for "Ferrari" Image Unavailable, Please Login
@iohead And, just located 2021 EPA, Ferrari still not claiming Engine Idle Start Stop credits: https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2022-12/420r22029.pdf Page 94 Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Kudos for looking this up. I agree with you that it's strange for Ferrari to have been doing this for several years without getting the related credits. There must be an explanation: we just don't know it yet. As for the cabin button to enable/disable it, that's legal in any case. The EPA requirement is that the feature can't stay disabled across full power cycles: as long as it's enabled when you get in and turn the car on, that's sufficient. But yes, I would agree that if HELE isn't a factor for the EPA (no credits), then permanently disabling it wouldn't/shouldn't be considered illegal. (Unless of course you are in parts of California, where plenty of people are anathematic to the very existence of such cars so it might as well be illegal to drive a performance car at all.)
I just can't figure out why a company that sells parts costing more than gold would want you to restart your engine at every light instead of once per trip.
Well Ferrari does try to design to the lowest-common denominator for its vehicle emissions, rarely are there differences from market to market (hence, why GPF is used in USA cars when there is no corresponding particulate matter regulations that would necessitate the use thereof). A question for you is this, why would Ferrari have a built-in, non-defeatable, 20-minute engine idle timer that triggers the car to continuously honk its horn non-stop until the car is turned off (i.e. putting in gear has no effect)? I believe that started with the 812SF.
It looked the best in this blue; Having stated this, I did not see any red cars and most were muted dull dark or light greys or blacks. I want to order a Metallic Red..... At this stage.
STO it is. I've never been a fan of Lambo's with awd, the 2wd was always the one to go for, in my case that is.
It's the best sports car today ! And yet I'm not a Lambo fan... The harder you push, the more the car reveals... Everything is coherent, nothing is disproportionate... I didn't think you could push so hard on the road without ending up at the top of a tree
With regard to dashboard and infotainment appearance and functionality I was still fine with F8 or 812. except navigation acvuracy. F90 and 296 are computer movers. 167 will be the same. I prefer to concentrate on the road, the sound and the emotions given by original sports car feelings. Anything else can be found with Tesla and friends.
Way too much going on in modern sports cars. The Aston Martin Valhalla's interior is a fresh breath of air in that regard. Image Unavailable, Please Login
