I do wonder if a $3-$5k Ali baba swap kit floods the market… would there be an impact to oem gated car values. cool time to be in this hobby
It doesn't appear like the influx of swaps has affected OEM values much. Converted cars have definitely seen a downturn.
I can´t come up with any of the single clutch flappy paddle cars that have appreciated past the converted ones. I´m thinking Vanquish, M3, R8 etc... No one likes the single clutch autos.
.. until I calibrate them properly and then they actually work really well! Sent from my CPH2145 using Tapatalk
I like mine. A lot. It is a late 2008, I service the system annually, and I’m always in Race mode. The shifts are seamless. I’ve owned a lot of manual cars and appreciate their attributes.
The strongest advocates for the system is the ones who own a car with it. There was nothing wrong with mine either but the city driving was awfully jerkish and the constant fear of getting into heavy traffic. That fear is now completely gone and i feel much more connected to the car.
If I didn’t really like mine I would do the DrS conversion in a heartbeat. I drive in traffic routinely and mine’s not jerky at all. I’m constantly tempted to make the swap but the F1 works so well that I see no reason to do it at this time. If I ever come to a point that the F1 system is problematic then I’ll probably convert mine.
Are you able to calibrate my TCU and make it even better, or do you mean what you calibrated with the ECUs already?
The feeling in traffic and city driving is night and day for me. The clutch control is far superior by the human foot then any computer. Been driving manuals all my life so maybe i´m biased.
I love my 2008 F1. Shifts great. I’m still doing the conversion though. Why? Because my dream ever since I was a kid was to own a gated Ferrari and even a fantastic F1 system won’t keep me from that while my knees work. That said, everything I yank out in the process will be cleaned, rebuilt and stored for the eventual day where I might not have a choice but drove something without a clutch pedal. Until that day comes though, I’m not giving up on my dream
That's what doing you is all about. Life is very precious and sometimes short. That's exactly what I did when I bought my 3 pedal. That was all I wanted. When it was time for me to retire from my job of 41 years, I worked an extra year to just pay for it and make my dream a reality. But glad you're enjoying what you have in the mean time. Life is beautiful.
If your F1 Ferrari is jerky in traffic either it needs servicing or the driver does not know how to drive F1 systems properly.
I agree and it's mostly because buying your first ever Ferrari is more of an emotional event than a physical one. Whether it was because of Tom Selleck and his 308 on your bedroom wall or because one drove by you and your eyes were ready to pop out of your head. For most it's their dream car and so, yeah, a lot was invested into the decision to finally purchase one. Like me, I wanted the 360 3-pedal and a Spider. That's what I bought. I don't want a 430 or a 458 etc. I have what I want. As someone here on FChat wrote a long time ago, "A Ferrari is never a logical proposition. A Ferrari isn't transportation for your body, it's transportation for your soul". Today I'm under it changing my Gearbox fluid and clean the filter & the engine oil and clean the Oil Suction Fan filter. Last year I did the rad coolant. I love taking care of it.
It’s common knowledge that the single clutch boxes are jerky and problematic. Just look at any tests or reviews of any model with such gearbox. That’s why manuals are more expensive and popular no matter the car model and that’s why conversions have become so popular.
Says a manual owner…. The same test or reviewers, which I don’t recall ever tested the revised F1 in an 2008 or 2009, have all said the Scud F1 transmission is amazing. It’s all opinion. Some people like the F1 for their reasons and some like a manual. For me I don’t want a manual Ferrari because I have a manual Porsche. Then again I learned how to drive stick on a Mondial back in the 80’s so I guess I had my Ferrari gated experience when I was younger. The flexibility of my GenZ kids driving my Ferrari is a good reason for an F1 over a manual. It has come in handy. FYI. I was just having lunch with my coworker who has a manual Saab. He said he doesn’t even lock his car anymore since none of the younger generation can drive stick. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I have two rules for my daughter's first car when she turns 16. 1. Has to be less than 200hp 2. Has to be a manual I don't care if it's outdated tech, I feel like you have a greater connection to the car when you're making most of the choices on your own instead of relying on the car to do it for you. It makes you a better driver in the end as you need to pay attention and be interactive. At least that's my opinion. The bonus is that if she ever gets interested in cars like me, she'll have a lot more options to choose from
Ferrari persisted with it using the hydraulically assisted AMT (automated manual transmission) from Magneti Marelli, slowly but continuously evolving the sensors and software modelling and beefing up the speeds of their ECU hardware until it wasn't jerky or slow. This ended up with Superfast II and that worked pretty well on the 430 Scuderia models. Even the 2008 MY F430s had evolved significantly with self adjusting pis management for example and shifting in 60ms. It also had the advantage of being both less expensive, lighter and more raw feeling than any of the seamless shift dual clutch gearboxes. Lamborghini continued even longer with it until it was even better resolved. Overall it got better and better but sadly automotive industry was never interested in upgrading (even software) on older cars ... Sent from my CPH2145 using Tapatalk
Zlatan- Sounds like you needed some lessons on how to drive F1. "Common knowledge" does not cut it. Three pedal cars are jerky and problematic with poor drivers, too.
I have never owned one. Most who do not like them have never driven one that works correctly and your description of yours puts you squarely in that category.
It was also a simpler system and easily serviced by most repair shops. It gave the manufacturer a very easy choice to finish the car as a manual or automatic, unlike the unreliable and far more expensive DKG. Paying for replacement of a DKG is an eye opening experience. Mercedes in long term testing rejected the software package because their long term testing showed the high shift speeds compromised the reliability and longevity and forced the supplier to change the programming. Mercedes was the only manufacturer to do so.
I think a lot of the bad wrap the f1 gets is from the casual user… you really need to invest some time w it to get comfortable. I drove my friends f1 car and I honestly was scared I would break it! The drama when driven wrong scared me to shift it under max load… but counter intuitively it likes that better. Of course he hopped in the drivers seat it and it shifted like butter. Still not for me, but it has a learning curve. Im not a manual guy.. I daily a dct m2, and we have a cobra jet 428 w a c6 auto.. and an explorer st w auto.. they all shift differently.
Love my 355 F1. It takes skill to drive properly and the complainers simply don’t know how. Also love my Challenge Stradale F1, diddo………
