The Purosangue Thread

Yep, just a “car.”

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Nice. Blue marlin is a great color on Bentleys.

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Three things come to mind when I think about what a Ferrari road car should be.

1. Beautiful,
2. Exclusive (read: expensive.)
3. Fast.

1. We can endlessly debate aesthetics in good faith (hmmmm). Anybody that believes the PS is ugliest car of all time is correct, and anybody that sees it as beautiful is also correct. I mean, I give folks the benefit of doubt that they don't argue aesthetics with hyperbole and bias, and use a rational fair minded approach.

2. No debating the PS is expensive.

3. Fast? I'll withhold judgment, but with a Porsche Cayenne faster on the Nurburgring than a 991 911 Turbo S, isn't that fast enough for you?

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We're left with the perpetual critique that this is 'compromised' - why yes, it is, the same way a 1950 195 Inter is a WATERED DOWN 195 S.

Because they made the 195 S more daily usable in the Inter, is it all of a sudden a car that doesn't follow what a Ferrari should be?

You would think purity folks would have calmed down already after the better part of a century. Or, at the very least, realize it's a slippery slope with the Challenge guys laughing at this post, The IMSA folks more 'pure' than Challenge, the F4 guys above the IMSA guys, then F3, F2, and then Leclerc, which even then, Schumacher (god bless him) can still pull rank.

Let's leave the measuring stick on purity at the track, F1 that is, whereas if you say Ferrari lost their way, I couldn't agree with you more.

 

I agree but I don't think it has anything to do with "purity".

IMO the majority of Ferrari fans and buyers today are not purists. There are a few left but most have died off long ago. Very few today know enough about Ferrari's history to even come close to being a purist. There are still pockets of them left but outside of this forum they are very few and far between. Maybe it's just the crowd around here? Last major event I went to was Finali Mondiali in Daytona, Cavallino had quite a few but that's to be expected. YMMV

I don't think having strong opinions about what a Ferrari should be makes someone a purist. Lol, but if I see them obsess over a car not having proper yellow lock nuts I know they are!

 

As we look at the Ferraris of today .. we have hybrid powered cars and electronic dashboards that will not stand the test of time even the start button is a not a button anymore just an image on a screen. With all of that in mind
I think the best thing about the PUROSANGUE is the engine .. a NA V12 in true Ferrari fashion .. to me that is good enough.
While I am no fan of SUVs . my wife sure does love her Cayenne turbo and I must admit its a heck of a vehicle . SO
what the heck I could learn to like Ferraris version especially with that NA V12 ..
I was offered an early position but passed on it .. but who knows

 

Well, isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?
Posts a meme that insults every PS buyer here, then says below-average people talk about other people's choices.

The lack of self-awareness is baffling.

I do agree btw; I could not care less if you drive a Vette-wannabe.

(see what I did there?)

 

What was your impression after experiencing the PS in the flesh?


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Interesting first-person observations considering the design award quote mentioned earlier in the thread:

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The PS is an incredible vehicle, an “SUV/crossover” that drives like a supercar. Talk about something unique and exciting for those who want a Ferrari that is family-oriented!

The car I saw in the flesh was grey, not the best color IMHO. I saw videos of models in dark colors or in red, these colors doing justice to the elegance of the PS’s design.

Design: elegant, in your face, cannot be mistaken for anything else than a Ferrari. I liked it (I’m also a big fan of the FF/Lusso).

Interior: exquisite materials, the leather is so soft.

Space: great in the front, enough in the rear. It’s true that the rear seats and space are not as spacious as other SUVs, but….a lot easier to climb in the back than in an FF or 612 for example.

Trunk: spacious enough for luggage and groceries, Not as big as other SUVs but….the PS is not really an SUV, it’s a supercar disguised as a family car, and it does it very well.

Performance and handling: not possible to test drive it for a few more months. But watching videos and reading comments from professionals and the press, its performances and handling are out of this world for an SUV. Even out of this world compared to almost every car on the planet. It’s a supercar (better than most Ferraris in the history of the brand)! What Ferrari invented with the independent suspension at every corner is truly remarkable!

Conclusion: a real Ferrari!

 

Was picking up the Cali at Boardwalk Ferrari today, and had my first chance to see the Puro in the flesh. Interesting. Didn't seem to be the world's most practical SUV, but with an NA V12 up front this is going to be a great option for people who want to drive a Ferrari every day.

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Relatively spacious in the back seats. This is with my wife who is about 5'8" in the front seat. I'm 6' 1" or 185.5 cm.

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Not great amount of room in the trunk as compared to our Cayenne, but I would think this is more than sufficient for weekend getaways and trips to the grocery store.

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Rear seats apparently go down although that feature did not work on the demo.

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Interesting surfaces abound on the Puro. I can see those 23" tires with 30% aspect ratio being flat tire magnets! [emoji2]

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I was told this was Rosso Portofino.

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I get where you're coming from. I remember feeling the same when the first "Sport SUVs" emerged. I would be lying if I said I didn't have strong adverse reactions to the idea of a sports car truck, as I called it. That all changed when an SUV dusted me in what was considered a pure 'sports car,' an NSX. The SUV was not modded, by the way. In this case, it was a Porsche Cayenne Turbo.

This event forced me to think about what the definition of a sports car is in my mind. Performance, yes? While it's not a definitive aspect, it is the major one. After all, many cars that I consider sports cars are not fast in modern terms, but we must evaluate cars by the epoch.

I knew early on not to judge sports cars solely by their looks or cost but by their 'true' metrics. My encounter with the Porsche only solidifying my view. Look no further than jalopies on the 1/4 mile or cars missing half their bodywork on the track besting many shining new things. I saw many oil jockeys finally come around to these dang fangled new things called Teslas destroying EVERYTHING on the 1/4 mile, at a fraction of the cost of other cars. The only thing that can be mustered is they don't 'sound' good, guess - egos have to be rubbed after your lunch is taken somehow. Though I never understood how having your pride taken 'with a whisper' gave one solace.

I don't understand most modern critiques of "Sports SUVs." How is it not good if they are hitting records on the track faster than often the detractor's cars? I can only assume it's not performance; it's other things; foremost of what I've heard around here is that they are 'compromised.' I point out that every Ferrari below an SF-23 is compromised for over 75 years. If the PS doesn't pass the test, then a 296 sure as well wouldn't since it's a 'compromised' SF90. The SF90 is a compromised LaF, The TR? A poor man's F40, and on, and on, and on...

 

That is a fair assesment.

Although for me personally performance stopped being a factor years ago as it is all relative. I really have no interest in 0-60 or Ring times anymore like I used to. I now look for more intrinsic defining characteristics of what I enjoy in a sports car. If I'm looking for a performance high nowadays I spend time in a shifter kart. That's plenty to keep me happy at a pittance of the cost. Lol, and I get an excuse to wear all the cool gear.

I do also appreciate SUV's and trucks but to me they are simply tools I use to get a job done i.e. towing, cargo, off road, etc. They don't move my soul needle no matter how they perform. If it gets my boat up the ramp at low tide that's enough to make me happy.

 

Yea, agree

I have seen with Ferrari marketing that they never refer to it as an SUV.... just the media out there has done that

To me, it's an evolution to the FF / GTC4.... added rear doors and lifted a bit...... made the proportions a lot better as those other cars were so long to keep the engine behind the front wheels and still have the back seat

 

To be honest, my wife and I thought the Puro looked like a lifted Lusso from online pics, but less so after seeing it in person. There's a lot of interesting exterior details that catch the eye.

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Was at the dealer yesterday and was told the v12 PS is open to orders. not feeling quite as lucky that I was “allocated“ a V 12 early on.

 

Shocka!
I have a friend, admittedly he is a very valued VIP client, who wasn’t initially allocated a PS. About two weeks ago the dealer called him to see if he wanted to spec one.
He said, “Nope.”
Every “exclusivity” play in this space by Ferrari is IMO pure marketing bull. It’s only a matter of when you can get one, not if.

 

Yup! Agreed

Folks say it's too big. It's shorter and thinner vs an Aventador Veneno (nobody is crying about that car's 'hard-core' credentials) and is 4 inches taller vs a M5.

If the 4 inches bothers you, then opt in for the carbon fiber roof.

If you don't understand what I'm saying, just lift a carbon fiber panel.

 

Do you want a Ferrari that can hold 4 people and/ or more stuff? It's a pretty simple question, I think...Nobody needs to pay 400k for any car but if you can afford it and will find that you can use it more because of the extra space...then why not?

 

Thank you for the youtube link

 

I wonder how many folks in 2015 would have bought a Ferrari SUV with the Speciale engine.

There's many ways to rationalize any purchase. One can look at the PS as the most compromised of all vehicles or the best of all worlds vehicle. There's no right or wrong if you love the thing and can afford it.

Still, just because something has an NA V12, even if the last of them, doesn't by definition make it great or desirable. Vehicles are an entire package, not just an engine and whatever is built around them. The Speciale V8 was epic in the Speciale, the current V12 is epic in the TDF and 812C, that doesn't make an SUV version of either special by association.

Although I was fortunate enough to have one of my dealer's first PS build slots I am all but certain that I will withdraw my deposit. I have this theory that when uncertain say the thing out loud in front of a mirror and see what you get back ... and the more I say I am about to buy a half mil SUV that's neither particularly fast, or particularly utilitarian, what is the reward for me other than fleeting ego tokens? The answer for me is that there is no point. I'll take the V12 in the GTS and rip through the mountains in earnest, I have zero desire to do it less well only for the sake of admiring how relatively well an SUV can do it.

Again, none of the above is a judgment on anyone who desires to own the PS, I respect the fact that others' sensibilities and priorities are not aligned with mine. This is a 'me' thing. I don't have unlimited funds so I have to pick and choose where my Ferrari NA V12 dollars get allocated towards. I'm also not a person who embraces pulling up at Trader Joes in a Ferrari. I'm happier doing it in my goober Durango Hellcat which is both faster and more utilitarian than the PS, and engage with the epic NA V8s and V12 in the cars that best make use of them, not the cars that need to have them as the primary thing going for them and some trick suspension to hide their weight.

TLDR, the more I think of it, and despite how pretty and what an engendering marvel it is, the less appealing the PS is for me.

 

Not according to the claimed numbers.

 

That was your takeaway?

The Urus also claimed faster numbers and still got smoked by the DH off the line.

The point of my post was not to compare a Durango to a PS, that would be ridiculous … the point was to say that for my sensibilities, it is my preference to go about out my daily life having a stupid fast SUV that no one notices, I could have said X5M comp and made the same point. If there are tenths of a second differences in acceleration in either direction it won’t move the needle for me enough to go to a PS.

The point is whatever a person thinks is a good idea, just say the thing out loud before going ahead with it. It would halve bad decisions in people’s lives by at least 2/3rds.

- I’m about to drive drunk
- I’m about to use my house equity to buy a car
- I’m about to sleep to a girl with a suspiciously large larynx

If you can say out loud ‘I am about to buy a half mil suv despite the fact that it does nothing great but everything well’ then more power to you and by all means do it … all I was saying is that I am less attached the idea the more I think about it.

 

Yesterday's results included this :

Benedetto Vigna, Ferrari CEO. “ We have decided to reopen orders for the Purosangue, suspended due to an initial unprecedented demand, "

In the subsequent analysts call he said this was for deliveries from 2026 !

Also: "there is no change in our strategy to keep this Purosangue at always lower 20% of our annual volume"

 

Huh..

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