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  1. kartboy1234

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    #1 kartboy1234, Jun 5, 2023
    Hey everyone, I had the engine pulled on my 87 Testarossa and figured I will post some pictures.

    The car has about 10k miles and 8 years on the current timing belts. The car has numerous oil leaks which formed since the last major and the paint on the valve covers came off. So I had someone pull the engine, local guy out of his garage, doing great work. I am restoring the parts while he does the major stuff.

    I will be disassembling the top end and replating and cleaning everything once the car comes back.

    Pictures includes the before pic of the engine, empty engine bay, partially stripped valve covers, covers in process to paint and the finished ones, rebuilt alternator, engine currently as it sits, and the old belts which look fine.

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    #2 kartboy1234, Jun 5, 2023
    Here is a throwback picture, me in 2015, just got the car. I was fresh out of college and was doing it's first engine out. Now 8 years later, maybe I've filled out a bit.

    You can see the before of the alternator in picture 4. Pretty corroded and the bearings made noise and had some play. Had a rebuilt locally for $137 and a less than 24 hour turn around. The coolant lines didn't look too bad, but I figured I'll have them all replaced anyway. So that is the before picture of the coolant line.

    This is what the water pump seal looked like. At least the oil seal. So we pulled the water pump seal and oil seal. The bearings didn't make noise and didn't have play, so we left them and just did the new seals. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login

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    #3 dq driver, Jun 5, 2023
    Awesome work and beautiful color!
     
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    #4 kartboy1234, Jun 5, 2023
    Thank you, I love the color combo of it.

    Sadly I'm not the one pulling the motor, I had wanted to do it. But it would have turned into a 1 year project with my schedule. So I'm happy to clean up the little parts.

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    #6 dq driver, Jun 5, 2023
    Would you be able to share the information of your local contact in a private message?

    I'm not in need of any immediate service, but it would be nice to have additional options that are close by.
     
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    #7 turbo-joe, Jun 5, 2023
    can you please make 1 or 2 photos from the timing belts inside and bent a little to see if they started cracking already
     
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    #8 kartboy1234, Jun 5, 2023
    Here's another picture from yesterday. I'll take more pictures when I get home. They looked perfect.

    This car lived outside for 4 years after the belts were on, salty air. So this should be a worse case for everyone. My belts were fine, but I had a lot to fix, so every 7-8 years sounds good to replace worn parts or leaky parts. Image Unavailable, Please Login

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    #9 Rifledriver, Jun 5, 2023
    How do you know they're fine. Still had all their teeth? Thats like saying tire still held air so it was good.

    Most will agree 5 or 6 year old tires are unsafe junk but a timing belt? No way, they're as as good as new said the guy with a set in his hands for the first time.
     
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    #10 Veedub00, Jun 5, 2023
    Also what did your tensioner bearings look like? I noticed one of mine was slightly leaking grease after only a couple years and maybe 10,000 miles. I have since went with the hill bearing.
     
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    #11 kartboy1234, Jun 5, 2023
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    Are you saying that I've only seen timing belts once? Also I never said wait this long, just that they look perfect. I would have expected after 8 years some visual deterioration.

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    #12 kartboy1234, Jun 5, 2023
    Bearings are greasy, but that could be from an oil leak I was having. They still spin well and don't have any play.

    The belt looks good, has all of its teeth, no cracks that I see.

    I bet automakers would love if we were all this paranoid about timing belts, they'd get some much repair work.

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    #13 versamil, Jun 6, 2023
    No, I don't think MOST people would say five year old tires are Unsafe - JUNK. My 458 had 2700 miles on it at three years old, when I purchased it, tires looked like new, at NINE years old with 14,000, they still looked good but because I drive the car somewhat aggressively, figured it's time for new tires. At NINE years old I wouldn't say they were unsafe JUNK.

    Our Ferraris live pretty pampered lives, the tires are not exactly exposed to a lot of sunlight. NOR do they get driven tens of thousands of miles a year. Timing belts in multiple different cars have a pretty LONG life, with recommended change intervals MUCH more than five years where Rifledriver considers them junk. I've changed well over two hundred timing belts, and SOME had stripped teeth. But most of the really bad timing belts didn't lose teeth because of a failure in the timing belt, they failed because other parts that were supposed to rotate, STOPPED rotating. Seized camshafts because of oil starvation, failed waterpumps, parts that fail because they have tens of thousands of miles on them, NOT just five years of sitting living a fairly blessed life. Obviously the original poster, has had timing belts in HIS hands more than just this time. A 1990 Testarossa I have, I did the first service on at 14,000 miles- in 2022! Thirty two year old belts that had ZERO signs of degradation. And YES I've seen plenty of cracked and ready to break timing belts to compare with.
     
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    #14 ants2au, Jun 6, 2023
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    Whilst I dont want to start a timing belt debate, again (its all over the net really), I do have to ask about this specific scenario, that has bothered me.
    and that is, if we are debating the age of a rubber belt, we also have to ask, how old is the belt thats been sitting on the shelf before you bought it.
    I get that a belt on a car is exposed to heat and residue cycling, and that has an effect on its durability.

    in the extreme example, if a car has just had its belts changed, and then parked, for 30 years.
    what is the difference of that belt and the one sitting on a shelf for 30 years, (which you wouldnt know really, as I dont recall them having a date stamp).
    stored in the same conditions as the car
    I mean yeah, the recommissioning process for that car is a different topic :)

    anyway, thats an extreme case...and thats how I approach my decision to belt change my cars. I say mine, as I know how they are stored and treated.
    please dont take offense at my approach.. its really the persons decision to change or not change.. its their car.
    and yes, you can take advise from pros, and I always welcome that, as they have more experience than myself.
     
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    #15 kartboy1234, Jun 6, 2023
    Random pic of the new belts. Just showing the date code on them.

    My tires are 8 years old and I'd say they are fairly shot. They have tread left but they are dry. So I'm replacing them. They probably lived getting sun and outside air on them more than most.

    I'm just here to post pictures of a big moment in my ownership of this car. If people have an issue with stuff, then oh well.

    I have experience in the automotive industry, being a mechanical engineer working for major OEMs. So I may know a thing or two because I've seen a thing or two.

    People should change their timing belts off of how comfortable they are with the time frame, their usage case, environmental factors, and mileage. All of that came out to 8 years 9 k miles for me, tried having them done last year but that arrangement fell apart and I had to get the car back from that mechanic.

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    #16 kartboy1234, Jun 6, 2023
    I fully agree with you, change it when you feel it should be changed off of your usage case.

    I believe that my last pictures show date codes of 2022 and 2020. So sort of old belts, but as you say new belts should be fine.

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    #17 ants2au, Jun 6, 2023
    so when I buy a belt from say the dealer or whatever, how old do I go before I tell them, no, give me a newer one?
    as in, how old is too old?
     
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    #18 kartboy1234, Jun 6, 2023
    No idea what I would say. I bought tires and they were 2 years old already when I had them put on. I tried making a case that they were old, but they sort of didn't care. So who knows what the dealer would say. If it's special order they may not want to exchange it, if it's in stock maybe they will work with you. I'd want to get the newest ones that I could, but seeing what belts and rubber pieces go on new cars, and even at dealers, you are probably fine.

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    #19 ants2au, Jun 6, 2023
    and here is the dilemma we find ourselves in when we talk about a belt change....age... this statement is rhetoric..no need to answer :D

    lets get back to your topic on this thread.. keep the pics coming...
     
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    #20 plugzit, Jun 6, 2023
    The manufacturer claims a shelf life of 8 years on belts.
     
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    #21 kartboy1234, Jun 6, 2023
    Just got this picture. Engine goes in tomorrow. Then once the car is back my heavy cleaning starts Image Unavailable, Please Login

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    #22 Zeff, Jun 6, 2023
    Lookin good. Hopefully you will be bringing the car back to Monterey this year!
     
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    #23 turbo-joe, Jun 7, 2023
    there is a difference: when sitting on the shelf there is no tension on. but so long in the engine? take it out and you will have still the design as if the where installed on the engine
     
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    #24 Dr Tommy Cosgrove, Jun 7, 2023
    If they were in such pristine condition, why didn't you put them back on instead of throwing them in the nearest trash can?

    What worried you if they were absolutely perfect, after 32 years?
     
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    #25 kartboy1234, Jun 7, 2023
    Sadly not making it this year, not enough time.

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