Why don't they just revive the "dino" brand and they can make that brand for EV vehicles exclusively and leave ferrari as it is. I do not know why they have to follow that stupid idiot scammer elon musk in his so-called "EV revolution" as if each and every country in the world have decent EV charging station at each and every street or at least there is a charging station per 5km.
I think there PHEV models already do that, so no doubt that will be included at no cost in all EVs as well
That's an idea. But the risk is probably that the Ferrari brand would become more and more anecdotic and limited as only very small volumes would then be produced, as the world shifts towards EV...
Well, my dealer told me on Monday that we can expect the 812 replacement to come at a price point never seen before for a non limited edition V12... But I guess we knew that already! He also told me that the average order price for the Purosangue (over the 40 allocations they have) has to be at least 600KEuros. And obviously they are all called for.
If the price will be exceedingly highfor the F167 it will support the values of 812 SF and GTS Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Yet one more frustrating reason to walk away from the brand (besides the current design trends). Not a cuckold, not a fan boy, nothing really invested (either personal, emotional or financial) as I just buy what I like and want. (Thank Christ I haven’t blown millions trying to climb/buy up the ladder.) Nothing there now I like and getting too old for this ****. I have more interests to squander my money on.
That's one good way to look at it. They are perfectly aware that their move will steer some customers away, but they also know they will be more than fine with the remaining customers, as they will be paying even more than before. If they can, fair enough...
Might be my last new sports car. Might not. 911 RS touring for half the price looks tempting. And keep the F12
Half the price, half the cylinders. Just teasing, with the 296 I got half the cylinders for the same price lol
Modifying the buttons is a lot more difficult. You would have to either modify the wiring harness and somehow program the car not to throw an error (maybe possible when cars were less complicated) or swap out the harness entirely. And if they have different powertrains you still have to reprogram the car to run that powertrain. Actually changing the interior has to be 100% perfect or it will disrupt the functioning of the car. Whereas if you buy a body kit and the gap is a few millimeters off or the reupholstered seat's stitching is off, you would be annoyed but you could still drive.
I think you are making a flawed argument. We are not asking for a classic small mid engined V12, complete with the classic (outdated) technology, but for the classic small mid engined V12 format built with the modern technology. Like what GMA is doing. The Testarossa is known for being a pig. Flat 12, wide and long to accommodate its GT purpose. The Mclaren V8 engine is around 210kg. F140 is somewhere between 220 and 240 kg depending on variant. If they went manual they could shave off 100kg of the transmission. So it is definitely doable. In terms of little demand for this type of car, look at Porsche's GT3. They make what 6000 for each generation? And then you have the GT4RS and GT3RS on top of that. Sure a similar pipe dream Ferrari would likely cost more but even at 1/3 of Porsche's GT production, demand would be sustainable. I would think that developing a hybrid system and the associated electronic control systems is much more complicated and expensive than developing an engine/chassis. Just look at all the other car companies shutting down their ICE development or IPOing their various sub-brands to raise cash to build out their EV departments. Or the Icona range whose massive profits are probably being funneled to develop the EVs. Not saying change is bad but IMO but Ferrari further could capitalize on the current generation's tastes a before they fully transition. Its like they are trying to prematurely wean us off of ICE or something. Also disagree with you on your assessment of Mclaren and Porsche. Mclaren have only been in business for 12 years and the progress they have made is outstanding. While Ferrari is still the first brand mentioned when people talk about supercars, more often than not Mclaren is in the next breath. The main reason they are fumbling is due to the decision of the previous management to ramp up production without any care for quality, maintaining relationships with customers, or flooding the market. Also dumb product planning/strategy. And now the new management is still trying to clean up the mess they made. For Lambo and VAG, maybe it is not to the same extent but it can't be denied that Ferrari saved many costs borrowing sswitchgear from Fiat.
The battery is more like a combination of the fuel storage and fuel delivery system. Even if you have a super powerful motor with crazy magnets or whatnot if you can't put in enough juice to utilize them fully the maximum powerful is useless. Similar principal to if one is tuning an engine them will sometimes upgrade the fuel injectors so keep up. Unfortunately for them they failed to acquire YASA before Mercedes did. Apparently they were only valued at around £100meuros in 2019. Maybe M&A is not really in the culture of Ferrari? Seems like they prefer to work with their suppliers rather than acquire. For context YASA makes/own key patents on making axial flux motors which are much more suited for sports cars than regular radial flux. Rimac used them on their first car and the SF90 uses them too. I thought the EV was confirmed to be a sedan but I am not sure. Though I agree with your assessment about the hypercar. Seems like making the halo/flagship electric would help reduce the stigma in the same way that the holy trinity did for hybrids. Porsche must be thinking the same thing with their Mission X.
The holy trinity did nothing to reduce stigma. Proof is everyone here hoping the 812 replacement is unassisted NA V12. Hybrids just a quick jump to full electric which also is not popular for a Ferrari. Image Unavailable, Please Login
The inverter is the fuel delivery system...the battery just stores the fuel, without the inverter the DC power in the battery is useless.
More like 20 kilos. And we already know that manuals are a detriment to performance, emissions and car control. Last time Ferrari offered a manual, no on took it... Not really. The ICE is still the most complex and expensive system in every car. It just happens that the costs have been amortised by now. That's why developing a brand new ICE happens once in 10 or 20 years. Ferrari's current V12 has its roots in 2002, even though it has been thoroughly developed throughout the years. One of the reasons that the Valkyrie and the GMA cars cost that much is their new V12s. Since all current Ferraris have an ICE, that is not true. Said who? Hybrids are the best of both worlds. It is far from a foregone conclusion that BEVs are the future.
The performances...let me smile! do you really believe that the owners use all the performance of current cars on open roads ??? Even professional pilots don't do it. your thinking software, in my opinion, is not the right one, you have to think in terms of pleasure of the senses and emotion for use on the open road, and certainly not by performance or tenth of a second gained... That s why the owners of this thread are very different from those who are looking for an SF 90 VS, with a few exceptions !
I drove 10 years old 320i on the track with my foot buried to the floor lol. It was so much fun. I somehow miss the days when I have to ‘plan’ the route to floor the car in the open. Those days are gone because of number of reasons but perfomance increase is the major one. You don’t need the long open road any more but need traction control and right foot lol. It is so easy it is not fun any more, and I don’t appriciate the capability of modern cars as much. All the more reason I admire and love difficult cars like tdf and CGT and the likes since those require skills and commitment. I really wish they add some spice in the mix for next gen FR V12. Not just more power more torque ‘better’ handling. Well I am one of those minority. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I grew up owning cars that needed to be floored. It was boring. I like unleashing the beast now. It makes me giggle. I don't race things anymore so no need to be serious about it.
Whilst I agree that current supercars' performance is terrifying, and I would even argue that all Ferraris in the past 15 years have been quicker that what is frequently usable on an open road (apart from the motorways obviously), performance does matter. Imagine if Ferrari launched a V12 car with the performance of the 550. Who would buy a £300k car that even an Audi RS4 would outaccelerate? Yesterday Ferrari won the LeMans 24h! It did so using a hybrid V6. Enzo would have been proud. Don't get stuck in the past people, the world is evolving. By the way, the sense of g forces pounding on you is also exhilarating. I happen to own a classic car, which was one of the fastest cars in its time, making a huge noise and all. While it still is "quickish" by modern standards, the only rush and exhilaration you get compared to a modern sportscar is the thought of whether it will be able to brake for the forthcoming turn, or if it will you spit out of the corner...
the only manual car that i liked was from nothern Italy which i had 13 years ago. al the others i really hate. So i don't miss them at all. I enjoy auto and paddle shifter sooo much more.
