What engineer designed the type F 106 AL 000* 2926cc V8?

Could have been Vittorio Jano...

 

Good point, but it's very strange there's no obvious listed engineer or designer. I was just thinking that it's possibly an iteration of the v6.
Mattarazzi... (Butchering and not recalling his name)Something or other was the engineer Ferrari brought in for the turbo of the series family.

 

from what I’ve read the idea was from Alfredo (Dino) Ferrari.

 

Here.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Ferrari_Dino_engine

 

well, they just added two more cylinders. To the V6.

 

@Albert-LP would know.

 

Not at all. Not at all. The 90° 2.928 cm3 V8 has nothing in common with the 2,4 litre V6. Really nothing.
The 2,4 litre V6 from the "Dino 246" has a very specific firing order and actually might be compared to three two-cylinder motorcycle V2 engines put one behind the other. Plus it has the famous offset crankpins, due to its 65° opening. Which gave its unique sound, or music.
Really nothing in common with the V8.

On the other hand, the V8 has exactly the same cylinders as the contemporary 4,4 litre V12 or "365" (the V8 is 2.928 cm3, divided by 8 = 366, multiplied by 12 = 4392 cm3) and use the same conrods, pistons, etc...than the V12, which has a 60° opening. But at least they do have parts in common, except that comes only from the cash-strapped Ferrari factory of the times, so they could actually order the same parts, and avoid another specific procurement process and associated costs.

A 90° flat-crank V8 was unusual at the time for a road engine, but a rather common architecture for competiton engines. In fact, the closest looking 3-litre 90° V8 engine there is to the Ferrari V8 is the Ford-Cosworth DFV...

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IF...
(The "if" in capitals, as I harbor slight reservations about the content of the "The arrival of the V8" chapter in that book: too many mistakes taken over from previous litterature: wrong production numbers for the "Vetroresinas", wrong power output for the carbed engines, which really have no place in today's litterature, and the authors really should have known...so lack of research and shoddy work)

If the Haynes' book "Ferrari engines: 15 iconic Ferrari engines from 1947 to the present" by Francesco Reggiani and Keith Bluemel is reliable, then according to pages 141 and 142:

Angelo Bellei (who had designed the 1964 1.500 cm3 F1 V8)
and Franco Rocchi.

Bellei himself in designing the 1964 F1 1.500 c3 V8 relied heavily on Carlo Chiti's work for the 2,6 litre and 2,8 litre 90° V8 of 1961.
So Carlo Chiti should not be underestimated, but as everybody here knows, he left Ferrari in 1961.

Rgds

 

Further to my previous post, see post #4 by "DinoLasse" in the enclosed thread...the V6 and V8 really have nothing in common.

Rgds

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/the-ferarri-dino-series-of-engines-not-just-v6-but-v8-and-v12-too.257392/

 

Not going to split hairs in four here...but:
The 1964 F1 90° V8 engine was 1.500 cm3. That one was itself descending from Carlo Chiti's work on V8s that were 2,6 litre and 2,8 litre. So the amount of knowledge was already there, and it came from the racing department.
I wouldn't say that the 1973 F 106 AL is "based on a competition motor", but one thing is certain, as for most Ferrari engines of the time, it certainly has racing heritage...

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Thats a fairy tale. The Daytona engine had vastly more in common with the V8 than the V6 did.

The V6 had no familial similarities and was a departure in every single way from Ferrari road car engines that followed or preceded it.

The V8 was a BB engine made 90 degrees with a few cylinders cut off.

They had the same designer.

 

Was it designed for the Le Mans GT race with the GT4 debut in 73 ? Hence the flat planned crank . Bearing in mind the French rules debacle and GT class disqualification etc etc .The Pininfarina 308 gestated 2 yrs later when Enzo had given up dealing with the French .Sales were needed and the original GT 4 engine as well as chassis construction was carried fwd .

So I think it was deliberate the race engine thingy not an accident .
There were probably a lot of heads involved marrying parts inventory, the LM GT ( at the time ) class rules re displacement .

With a leaf out of H Fords book race and win Sunday sell cars Monday the GT 4 body the maligned 2+2 was to spread out into conquest markets of which Porsches 911 also a 2+2 was cleaning up .Porsche too winning on the track .

Then the 73/74 oil crisis on top of the French rule debacle and things turned out differently?

Let’s not loose sight the GT 4 is and was only the Ferrari with even chassis numbers ……normally reserved for Ferrari race cars ……..so it was kinda race pedigreed from the “get go “ along with the engine .

Good luck explaining this to the Tom Selleck fan cars on here .

 

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Accordingly to an interview to the local magazine "Quattroruote" given by Angelo Bellei , the later engines ( from 1960 on ) were developed by a pool of people including himself , Franco Rocchi and other designers. He was moved by his boss EF from the racing department to the production mid of '60 with the task to migrate best practices and improve the technical level of the production cars. He worked as Head of development from "275" to the "BB" and had the specific responsibility to design and release the move of engine from front ( Daytona) to rear (Dino and 308). BTW EF seemed to not love the first version of Dino V6 with engine and transmission in line so that AB was asked to find the solution of integrating transfer case and differential below the engine . Prior of retiring, AB was also instrumental as Consultant in the development of the 208 Turbo ( I think he was reporting to EF project progress) , can still remember his discrete presence by all the technical meetings along with the Engineers and Managers in charge of the 208 turbo project. Can post the interview but in Italian.

 

Absolutely makes 100% sense, as it was the "Standard Operating Procedure" at Ferrari at the time. Racing knowledge and experience was later transfered to the road cars. That's why I said above that the 2.928 cm3 V8 cannot really been said to be "based on a competition motor", but has "racing heritage".
According to my documentation, Angelo Bellei died on May 28th, 2012, in Modena; I don't have a birth date, can you confirm?

Rgds

 

Not true as for the even chassis numbers: 206 and 246 "Dinos" also had even chassis numbers before the GT4...look for "0808", for instance...

I've said this many times, mischevioulsy, tongue-in-cheek, etc...and sorry if I'm hurting some again...:
"Dinos" are not legally "Ferraris", whatever one might think.
(And I have to admit that I have always, and will always, consider these "Dinos" as Ferraris)

But the FACT is that the last batch of twelve or so 308 GT4 produced, intended for the UK market, so Right Hand Drive, were among the first cars from Maranello to have a full 17-digir VIN. And...that VIN starts by "ZDF", which means "Dino", Maranello.
Ferraris have a 17-digit VIN starting by "ZFF", as we all know.
Draw your own conclusions.
(Should yo be the owner of one frome these twelve, your car is a true collector's item...)

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