The engine idles much better at 12°, but pollute (HC) more than at 8°. This being said, this does no explain all the soot in the plugs.
The soot is due to the over rich condition that "covered up" the timing issue. (too much advance). Sent from my MAR-LX1M using Tapatalk
Too much ignition timing would not cause the soot, too much camshaft advance might explain it, but it was already retarded with little effect... If you really consider it is your problem you may remove a bit more of advance and see if you experience dramatic changes. If the camshaft timing does not deliver significant changes, it might be time to get back to the basics: ignition coil, or k-jet issue. You've already refurbished quite a few bits in the k-jet, but did you check the bypass valve and cold start injectors?
Yes, I am referring to camshaft timing, given how the car immediately starts and accelerates, I am ruling out ignition timing. I have remove everything again and retarded the camshaft timing a few degrees. Cold start injectors are disconnected and checked for leaks, not needed in 35+ degree weather Air bypass is also fully closed.
You say air bypass is completely closed..well..that is not correct. If you have the service manual..it tells you how to set up the engines base settings..and that includes the use of the air screws. Review those steps and adjust as needed.
Raemin mentiekd the air bypass valve, not scew - that must be closed after warm up. Air bypass srews should be fully closed and only used if the 2 banks cannot be balanced using the throttle plate adjustment screws. Sent from my MAR-LX1M using Tapatalk
I was indeed talking about the VALVE bypass (not the idle air-screw that holds the throttle plates, or the idle valve used during startup). Bypass valve is a mechanism that just unloads the k-jet when you abruptly lift the gas pedal. If it's faulty, it's just like having an air leak. The OP has attempted quite a few things. The marginal improvements we've seen so far are quite puzzling.
i have re-set the valve timing now and will attempt re-start tomorrow. I will do a compression test later today - I was getting over 160 PSI with timing advanced, I assume this will come down some. Will share the before/after pictures of the initial assembly marks on as to see the differences.
Back then, I was puzzled by how lightning fast your newly rebuilt k-jet failed. Have you replaced these leaky k-jet gaskets with the same brand of gaskets? Your local gasoline is made out of light crude and condensates, this could explain the rapid decay?
No, I replaced them with German made ones. But I believe my actual problem was never the K-Jet, but rather the overly advanced timing, which "forced" me to run it much richer for it to run well. As long as the K-Jet puts out fuel and it is sufficiently atomized and in a reasonable quantity, it will run. Even the Bosch manual does not call for a "perfect' spray pattern. I have seen old V8 Mercedes with extremely bad injectors and were running well. Most of the fuel being injected (see #7) turns into gaseous state as it is sucked into the intake port; remember it goes through the port, then hits the stem and the head (underhead) of the valve, all this at an extremely high speed and heat. Image Unavailable, Please Login
If I were to do it again, which I will at some point, I will use a dial indicator instead of the "break free" valve shim method. I think at this point we can get from the engine in running condition to "setting the valve timing" (pins removed) in under 2 hours. Using an electrical screwdriver makes a huge difference, as there are over 100 nuts what have to be removed - this alone can take up to 30 mins. Another "tip" for removing the metering head; just pull out the injectors, and the remove it with the injector lines (all you need to do is remove the 2 large fuel delivery and return lines and the cold start injector hose). Keep the WUR connections attached and remove together with everything else. The most uncomfortable part to remove are thr distributor caps - this will take around 10 mins each. Using a small ratchet makes a difference (3 x 8mm bolts) NOTE: The A/C compressor is not installed.
If you just want to offset the cam by a few degrees, you could just do it from the timing chest cover: there are 18steps in the sprookets, that divides 1/19 of a full camshaft turn (not sure if the ratio is 18/19 or 18/17, but you get the idea) , if you move to the next locking pin that fits, that's rougly one camshaft degree. Should be good enough for tinkering. Far less stuff to remove. You may also only work on the inlet camshaft as it is more easy to access than the exhaust one whose cover is holding the k-jet stuff.
WRONG - the Bosch/Ferrari manual very clearly states that the air by-pass screw should be normally closed.
In the early F Bosch CIS documentation (Mondial8/QV, 400i) = yes. In the later F Bosch CIS documentation, it "evolved" into most idle air going thru the throttle plate, but some small percentage of the idle air intentionally leaking thru the air bypass screw(s). At a constant fixed warm idle RPM, the system doesn't know (nor care) which path the idle air is passing thru = really doesn't affect your problem of excess emissions at warm idle.
UPATE: Engine started, smell is gone and runs very smooth, BUT has no power at all in the lower rpm band. Seems it was retarded too much. Incredible what an effect a seemingly small adjustment can make. I will take the car for the inspection and then reset the timing again. Sent from my MAR-LX1M using Tapatalk
Had some "adjustment" shims made out of stainless steel, see picture below. Of the 4 shims, the sizes I needed to get to the 0.5mm clearance were 3.53, 3.5 or 3.55mm. My shims were 3.6, 3.75... These are all very small differences, that result in many degrees timing differences. Once I have my dial indicator, I will be able to exactly know how many degrees correspond to x amount of valve moment. All of this was done without a dail indicator, only using the "break free" method. Timing has been reset now as close as possible and will start tomorrow. Will send it for inspection again next week, will be interesting to see what CO and HC values I get. At some point I will do it again using a dail indicator where I can exactly determine the moment the valve begins to be moved by the cam lobe and can add/subtract the clearance to get the exact 0.50mm. Using an electric screwdriver has greatly reduce the time needed to disaamble everything. One observation, you need to have new steel lock tabs (4) for the camshaft sprocket bolts, as these cannot be reused. I had them fabricated in hardened steel by the machine shop. Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my MAR-LX1M using Tapatalk
Small update: I passed the inspection, the values are now nearly 20x less! CO is a 0.49% and HC at 265 PPM, slightly above what is stated in the owners' manual - I am sure a good "Italian tune up" would clean out the exhaust from the previous running condition. The issue is that the car has very little low end torque, for some reason I have too much retard in the intake valve. Conclusion: 1. My issue was ALL and ONLY due to camshaft timing - as I had timed it only using the initial assembly marks. 2. The intake valves were previously covered in soot, and this has now stopped (I looked with an endoscope). This was due to the very advanced intake valve opening, meaning, some of the exhaust was being "pushed out" of the intake (as the intake open starts happens while the piston is still traveling upwards during the exhaust stroke). This is no longer the case. Specs call for 16 degrees B.T.D.C. 3. Valve overlap is everything is greatly affects emissions and performance. 4. Very slight differences on with the cam timing make a huge difference. Again, thanks to all - my saga continues.
Wow! What a read this thread has been and unbelievably I still have a question on setting the camshaft timing in a 400i. Has anyone measured the opening duration of the camshaft at 0.5mm valve lash? I have changed the shims to get as close as I can to the 0.5mm clearance and find I'm getting slightly different duration periods compared with the workshop manual. 1-6 intake opens 20 (will probably set this to the 412 spec of 16) and closes at 42 instead of 44. I'm assuming this discrepancy is due to the 0.5mm not being exact without grinding shims to suit. With the standard valve lash set to normal spec the duration is much longer. My question is - is it acceptable to split the difference in duration and set the intake to 17 instead of 16? The exhaust has a similar situation where it is currently closing at 6 and opening at 54. Should I split the difference and set it to open at 8 or still set it at 10? Cheers, Al This is my setup - Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
You have a dial indicator set up, you should be able to accommodate any set up procedures accurately without having to change the shim for 0.5mm valve lash.
I have a lot of 1st hand experience getting 412s to pass California smog. Altering it from factory cam timing settings isn't going to do it. Best bet is to properly set it where it belongs. When the motor is in correct tune it runs quite clean. If its not clean something is wrong and modifying it is not what needs to be done. High HC is a huge indicator for cam timing issues. High CO is often a result of adjusting it so it will run OK with cam timing issues. Those are not the only possibilities but are very common.
It seems to me Al is working on a 400i which he intends to time as per the 412 specifications. So it will be worse than a stock 400i. I did not add the full 4° overlap on mine. We also had to advance the ignition (2°), so as to roughly match the 412 (not a perfect match as the curve is mechanical without vacuum advance on the 400i, but +2° is close enough). The 412 has some specific domes in the head, so the compression is higher than the 400i. So even if you tilt the camshaft and the ignition there will be a difference with the 412 setup. Not sure about the impact on pollution though. I do have high compression pistons and the car now runs on E10 , but despite the more aggressive timing it is not obnoxious as it used to be (prior to the rebuild) , and it did pass smog, but I had to tweak the WUR so as to reduce cold control pressure. So it starts slightly lean and requires 15seconds to clear but at least the initial 5minutes are less horendous and the controller does not cry wolf when I pass the test (California would be another story...). From memory I more than halved the difference between cold and hot control pressure! if the car does not need all this supplemetal gazoline in the Alps, I just wonder what sort of climate they were contemplating when specifying the cold start requirements?!?