SF 90 XX

They will have absolutely no problem to sell this car with an aluminum chassis.
The carbon tub is for the F250 at 3 millions price.
There are buyers so why reducing profits ?
Again Ferrari is a luxury brand first.
Like Hermès or Louis Vuitton.
They decided to kill the V12 mid term and this is the worse signal they have sent to awakened people..

 

A jaundiced view. The 765 LT powertrain and the Ferrari V8 hybrid powertrain have nothing to do with each other. If you want to compare hybrid power trains take Artura v 296. It’s very clear, to make an XX out of the SF90 needs very little extra power. What they did was only for marketing purposes and to all intents irrelevant. As for carbon chassis, the arguments for and against have had many words written on fchat. With the SF90 being aluminium/carbon mix, there was no way that was going to change. Otherwise the price is huge because because the whole thing has to be re-engineered for 1,398 cars. Plus they want to leave some room for F250.

A much better criticism of this car is…can 10kg, new brakes, mildly different springs, much higher aero, same gear ratios, reworked gear change, limited numbers, new boost function and new body panels justify another £300k? On the face of it that lot might not seem to add up to much of a difference in the way it drives. But I think they have earned the right for us to give them the benefit of the doubt until we see what it does to laptimes and what trusted reviewers make of the way it goes. So jury’s out on that one.

For those pre-determined to dislike the car, plenty to get your teeth into. But for people with or hoping for an allocation, or even considering one in the future aftermarket, those views are irrelevant.

 

I think they did not drop the weight on purpose since they sold the SF90AF as the lightweight hardcore version and sold the whole SF90 range as a top of the range "limited" car. I think they focused more on visual differentiation and some chassis/powertrain tricks rather than an all out lightweight hardcore version.

 

Sure. As I said: the law of milking

 

Like a 80/20 mix (to be generous)
The ICE V8 it's an ICE V8, nothing else, its numbers, are its numbers, the hybrid has nothing to do with it, but if you have doubts, this is enough for you: you will see that if mclaren makes a v8 hybrid, the ice part will be more powerful than Ferrari V8 (...)

 

They couldn't have done much better given the car's physical size, the hybrid powertrain and the fact that the Stradale was already slimmed down as much as the platform allowed. Even the £3,000,000 Valkyrie claims a dry weight of 1270 kg and that car is as extreme as they can get!

Hearsay and conjecture. The only thing we can can go on is the official power figures. We would only be able to compare them if the respective ICEs were put on the same bench dyno. The limited gains show that Ferrari's V8 is running close to its limit though, bearing in mind that it has to maintain reliability, linearity in power delivery and respect all the new laws and regulations regarding emissions and noise.

 

I have to say i like the look of this car.
They went the Porsche RS route and made kind of a hooligan car, but style elegent. Of course subjectiv.
I still would have hoped for more power and lesser weight, wich in my eyes would have been achievable, the question is more for what price?

What i asking my self as a track wapon will it be bulled proof like the Porsche RS cars, those hybrid setup are still pretty complex i guess

 

The SF90 already uses a fair bit of CF to mitigate the additional weight of the hybrid power train. AF already has further reduced weight, Lexan rear window etc. Not sure there was much opportunity to reduce weight.

If you compare the Pista to 488 - they shaved over 90kg of weight by producing bonnet, bumpers & rear spoiler in CF. But in the SF those panels are already CF.

Short of installing a smaller battery pack (LaF-style) which charges continuously and foregoing EV range there was not much they could have done. I suspect back-pedalling on PHEV credentials would have been a marketing no-no.


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What I can tell you objectively is that the initial XX project for this car started with a stripped-down FXXK interior, with a suspension more adapted to the circuit,shorter gear ratios,
a less restrictive exhaust configuration and more hp, and of course slicks. .
Despite this package, the times were worse than those of the FXXK...d or the watered down version presented here, which kept the aero.
The central and limiting problem is therefore the
and it is an insoluble problem for hybrid cars of that type (KERS is a different approach )...

 

Sorry, I'm also not that special to be eligable for this car. 2 of my buddies are. Although I have all models on order right now...
SF90 Spider was just delivered. Q3 this year 812C. Next year 296GTS & Purosanque. Deposit made form 296 Challenge.
Just didn't order a Roma/Spider.....
Poor me...!

 

The art of running a profitable and sustainable business. Something McLaren and others still haven’t figured out.

Seems like a lot of happy customers, shareholders and employees - not a bad result for any business.


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Yep, that's what I was told numerous times.

It's also a bit strange that the majority of buyers still believe the FXXK is the faster (track) car Ferrari has.
It isn't, by far.
The Challenge, GT4 and 488M are much faster on most tracks.
The 599XX is slower by a long shot (but sounds like a dream).
To be fair the FXXK wasn't build to be the fastest on track.

If people indeed here want to add meaning to lap times of the SF90XX and wonder when Ferrari will enter the "tap time war"; they completely missed the point. The SF90 is not the car to do so. It is not the car to rival the Senna. ferrari doesn't do crossovers. it does pure racing cars and pure street cars. the SF90 is a streetcar with a nodge to the track. The Senna is a race car that is road legal. Different end of the spectrum.
If you truly want to compare, buy a cheaper 488M and put it on the same tires as the much more expensive Senna.

Look at the 488 in various race trims. A car that dominated virtually all classes. Look at the 499P. Won Lemans within first year of entering.
Ferrari and racing are synonymous with each other. No brand in the world has that. Not Mercedes, not Aston Martin, not Lamborghinin, not Porsche.

 

Deposit on F296C, really? None have been ordered, I guess you gave your dealer a deposit while I was told by the head of racing when we were in Le Mans there is no deposit necessary at all.


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it's more a local dealer thing

 

Nonsense. If they truly wanted to, they could have reduced more weight. They don’t care. They don’t need to. They will sell every single one.

Look- I like the car. I think it looks great. I’d get one given the opportunity. But 10kg savings is about as stupid as Porsches Weissach packaged that saves 18 pounds for 35 grand.

 

the reception to this car has actually been a lot more negative than I was expecting, having browsed various forums people seem either underwhelmed by the dynanic changes or dislike the agressive styling

 

I guess people have the feeling that Ferrari is more obsessed with profits than build something really exceptional.
Maybe a turning point in a bad way.

 

The point about laptimes is to compete with the £300k cheaper AF car. If the XX has Ferrari’s development team building a car that justifies the name, it has to be quicker around the track and feel much racier than the ‘normal’ AF car. We have a Senna. It is not a race car for the road as you suggest. It’s still just a road car, albeit a really good one.

And by the way, I’m definitely in the camp that says an AF coupe is a fantastic value track car given the (UK) depreciation.

 

And yet I’m betting it will trade well above list from the start and never be lower than list in its life, even for leggy examples. If that’s true, it means that the internet reception for a car is a poor gauge for what the buying public really think. Now if this is a car that trades at or below list, like the Senna, then that would be an interesting story. And my guess is that a lot of critics would suddenly become interested.

 

If it's true that the SF90 started out as a real XX project and this was the reason that it became a road project. it just shows the superiority of the LaFerrari's platform. The SF90 is a much more down to earth concept. It is not a hypercar, after all.

And yet on the only track they have both been independently tested (Autocar's), the SF90 Stradale AF was ever so slightly quicker...

 

Let's talk about it again in 2030 when there will only be hybrid and EV...that's when the serious things will start ... you should never forget 1993, in my opinion ...

 

this shows above all the 500 kg difference !

 

The wdight difference is mosntly due to the face that the LaFerrari/FXX-K have an F1 grade carbon chassis, plus of course a superior power/weight ratio.

 

I'm confused by the Senna talk. The regular SF90 has already proven to be faster than the Senna around Montefaine (same driver) and the Autocar dry handling track. It seems to me that the XX will be faster than both. Are some people not aware just how fast the standard SF90 is already?

Track McLaren Senna (P15) SF90 Stradale
Mortefontaine 1:24.70 1:22.86
Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:03.80 1:03.60

 

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