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I'm looking for owners of 1980 GTBi willing to post their VIN

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  1. John A. Muller

    John A. Muller Formula Junior

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    This might be a fruitless search, but it would be nice to get a list of known 1980 Bosch K Jetronic cars. I and others quote 24 coupe made during the first half of 1980. My car #31371 was made March,1980. If the run of 24 cars is correct, these transition cars would be quite rare (24 coupes and 29 spyders).

    My car had the injected engine put into the 1979 styled coupe (XWX 205/70 Michelin tires, Campagnolo wheels, Nardi aluminum wheel, GTB on the dash(passenger side), GTBi located at the rear, clock and oil temp gauge mounted vertically ahead of the console, window lifts on the console, aluminum air plenum etc. It is these cars that interest me.

    There are several different tallies and the range is quite high. I hope we can come up with VINs from Jan to end of July...but, any GTBi using the 1979 bodies as described above should be identified as well.

    I realize this will take time and may end up going nowhere, but it's worth a try. Looking forward to hearing from you who have a matching car or know of one.
    Thanks!
    John
     
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  2. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    31327 is reportedly the first Bi 80 injected model.

    We should start from there
     
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  3. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    31345 31369 31371 31439 31411 31485 31605 31621 31673 31711 31769 31771 31831 31849 31879 31935 31939 31983 32049 32143 32173 32217 32253 32327 32357 32471 32571 32603 32669 32773

    And this is just my first glance. There are more to post. I think there are more Bi's than 24 for 1980...
     
  4. dave80gtsi

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    The OP is trying to reinvent the wheel. There used to be some guy in France who had already done far more than this level of documentation for the entire 308 line.

    My own informal similar registry shows 37 serial number 'A' GTBi's. And yours makes 38.

    DM
     
  5. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    And I'm not done posting. I had to stop because I needed to get in the shower and go to work.

    But this has my attention, I'm going to dig thru this further this weekend.
     
  6. Dino246gt

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  7. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    US 1980 GTB Only.


    Check the numbers. Cutting and pasting I might have missed or doubled up on one or two.


    ZFFAA01A4A0031327

    ZFFAA01A6A0031345

    ZFFAA01A5A0031367

    ZFFAA01A9A0031369

    ZFFAA01A7A0031371

    ZFFAA01A4A0031439

    ZFFAA01A0A0031485

    ZFFAA01A6A0031605

    ZFFAA01A4A0031621

    ZFFAA01A1A0031673

    ZFFAA01A5A0031711

    ZFFAA01A3A0031769

    ZFFAA01A1A0031771

    ZFFAA01A4A0031831

    ZFFAA01A1A0031849

    ZFFAA01AXA0031879

    ZFFAA01A2A0031939

    ZFFAA01A5A0031983

    ZFFAA01A7A0032049

    ZFFAA01A8A0032173

    ZFFAA01A2A0032217

    ZFFAA01A6A0032253

    ZFFAA01A9A0032327

    ZFFAA01A7A0032357

    ZFFAA01A6A0032401

    ZFFAA01A5A0032471

    ZFFAA01A9A0032571

    ZFFAA01A0A0032605

    ZFFAA01A6A0032687

    ZFFAA01AXA0032773

    ZFFAA01A1A0032807

    ZFFAA01A5A0032809

    ZFFAA01A3A0032873

    ZFFAA01A1A0032905

    ZFFAA01A5A0032907

    ZFFAA01A9A0032957

    ZFFAA01A8A0033033

    ZFFAA01A2A0033075

    ZFFAA01A2A0033111

    ZFFAA01A6A0033189

    ZFFAA01A2A0033335

    ZFFAA01AXA0033339

    ZFFAA01AXA0033373

    ZFFAA01A3A0033375

    ZFFAA01A8A0033467

    ZFFAA01A0A0033527

    ZFFAA01A9A0033557

    ZFFAA01AXA0033583

    ZFFAA01A5A0033961

    ZFFAA01A9A0033963

    ZFFAA01A5A0033975

    ZFFAA01A8A0034053

    ZFFAA01A1A0034055

    ZFFAA01A2A0034095

    ZFFAA01A9A0034191

    ZFFAA01A4A0034261
     
  9. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Why January to the end of July? That does not define Ferraris model year. Ferraris model year for 1980 possibly started in February, maybe March and ended in late October, maybe early November.

    The 1981 models for USA were rolling off in November.
     
  10. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    The Car & Driver first injected test car in their Oct 1980 issue was a red/tan B

    Wonder who has that car today and doesn't know it. The Oct issue was on the shelf in Sept. figure 3-4 months to get the story written and in print, a month to get the car to the US and in a dealer and out the door from the end of completion at the factory, Probably a Feb-Mar build date at the latest.
     
  11. John A. Muller

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    Thanks for priming the pump...Let's hope this goes somewhere.
     
  12. John A. Muller

    John A. Muller Formula Junior

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    I agree with you. I was defining the period that my car entered this world, but want info on all 308 GTBi that fit the description. I am also interested in the GTSi, and hope to do the same for it...My car is dated March 1980 and it seems that the 6th of that month might be the actual date based on the BIN factory bulletin SB00-6 issued 03/07/80...Let's see what happens...
    John
     
  13. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Every single 1980 US version GTB meets that description. .
     
  14. John A. Muller

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    I'm only interested in the injected version, not carbed. And I understand all 1980 cars used the older style body, but only a few were the 'i' cars as stated early on.

    As you know, there is a GTB list of cars, so there is no need to possibly cloud the issue of separating the injected cars from all other '80s.
    John
     
  15. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #15 Rifledriver, Jun 30, 2023
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    Every single US 1980 Ferrari was fuel injected. You are not listening.

    The last carbed car Ferrari made for the US market was a 1979.

    If you read the VINs I posted every single one indicates a US version GTB with fuel injection 1980 model year.

    Oh, and "Transition Spiders" as you call them. (I call them US 80 Spiders) There are over 340 of them.
     
  16. BigTex

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    Rifledriver has it right, as always.
    :D :D

    The US had by that time tightened up on a LOT of things and the odd business of "Year Model" as well as the new longer VIN number requirements, tightened up on Ferrari's previous "flexible" view of both Model Year and Technical compliance.

    If it came to the US/Canada market, thru the Dealer network, it had to comply...

    The rest of the world, the "band played on" in many respects, but here, carbs were gone and CATS were ON.
    Trying to base any of it on "visual cues" is a lost ball in the weeds, as Ferrari changed construction details constantly, not linked to Model Year at all. You would have to follow the evolution of parts like the 308 Exterior Dorr Handle to even undersatnd my point, I suppose.
     
  17. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Here is your list of 1980 "transition" 1980 fuel injected 308s.



    308 GTSi 31325 ZFFAA02A2A0031325 1980 Red X
    308 GTBi 31327 ZFFAA01A4A0031327 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31337 ZFFAA02A9A0031337 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31345 ZFFAA01A6A0031345 1980 White Tan
    308 GTSi 31355 ZFFAA02A0A0031355 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31367 ZFFAA01A5A0031367 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31369 ZFFAA01A9A0031369 1980 Red Black
    308 GTBi 31371 ZFFAA01A7A0031371 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31375 ZFFAA02A6A0031375 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31377 ZFFAA02AXA0031377 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 31381 ZFFAA02A1A0031381 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 31387 ZFFAA02A2A0031387 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31409 ZFFAA02A8A0031409 1980 Black Black
    308 GTSi 31417 ZFFAA02A7A0031417 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 31431 ZFFAA02A1A0031431 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31439 ZFFAA01A4A0031439 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31473 ZFFAA02A6A0031473 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31475 ZFFAA02AXA0031475 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTBi 31485 ZFFAA01A0A0031485 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31495 ZFFAA02A5A0031495 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 31521 ZFFAA02A2A0031521 1980 Red Black-Tan Seats
    308 GTSi 31523 ZFFAA02A6A0031523 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31575 ZFFAA02A3A0031575 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31595 ZFFAA02A9A0031595 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31599 ZFFAA02A6A0031599 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31605 ZFFAA01A6A0031605 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31621 ZFFAA01A4A0031621 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31623 ZFFAA02AXA0031623 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31627 ZFFAA02A7A0031627 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31661 ZFFAA02A7A0031661 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31663 ZFFAA02A0A0031663 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31673 ZFFAA01A1A0031673 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 31677 ZFFAA02A0A0031677 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31679 ZFFAA02A4A0031679 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31681 ZFFAA02A2A0031681 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31691 ZFFAA02A5A0031691 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31693 ZFFAA02A9A0031693 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31695 ZFFAA02A2A0031695 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31711 ZFFAA01A5A0031711 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31713 ZFFAA02A0A0031713 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31717 ZFFAA02A8A0031717 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31721 ZFFAA02AXA0031721 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31733 ZFFAA02A6A0031733 1980 Black Tan
    308 GTSi 31737 ZFFAA02A3A0031737 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 31741 ZFFAA02A5A0031741 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31749 ZFFAA02AXA0031749 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31751 ZFFAA02A8A0031751 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31753 ZFFAA02A1A0031753 1980 Grey Red
    308 GTBi 31769 ZFFAA01A3A0031769 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31771 ZFFAA01A1A0031771 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31775 ZFFAA02A0A0031775 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31777 ZFFAA02A4A0031777 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31793 ZFFAA02A2A0031793 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31795 ZFFAA02A6A0031795 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 31799 ZFFAA02A3A0031799 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 31817 ZFFAA02A1A0031817 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31819 ZFFAA02A5A0031819 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 31821 ZFFAA02A3A0031821 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31831 ZFFAA01A4A0031831 1980 Silver Black
    308 GTBi 31849 ZFFAA01A1A0031849 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31853 ZFFAA02A5A0031853 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31879 ZFFAA01AXA0031879 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31883 ZFFAA02A3A0031883 1980 Black Tan
    308 GTSi 31901 ZFFAA02A1A0031901 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31927 ZFFAA02A8A0031927 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31929 ZFFAA02A1A0031929 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31931 ZFFAA02AXA0031931 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31939 ZFFAA01A2A0031939 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31941 ZFFAA02A2A0031941 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31945 ZFFAA02AXA0031945 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31947 ZFFAA02A3A0031947 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31951 ZFFAA02A5A0031951 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31955 ZFFAA02A2A0031955 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31959 ZFFAA02AXA0031959 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 31983 ZFFAA01A5A0031983 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 31991 ZFFAA02A6A0031991 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31997 ZFFAA02A7A0031997 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 31999 ZFFAA02A0A0031999 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32001 ZFFAA02A3A0032001 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32031 ZFFAA02A1A0032031 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32037 ZFFAA02A2A0032037 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32041 ZFFAA02A4A0032041 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32049 ZFFAA01A7A0032049 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32053 ZFFAA02ADA0032053 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32055 ZFFAA02A4A0032055 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32057 ZFFAA02A8A0032057 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32073 ZFFAA02A6A0032073 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32075 ZFFAA02AXA0032075 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32085 ZFFAA02A2A0032085 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32087 ZFFAA02A6A0032087 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32113 ZFFAA02A3A0032113 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32117 ZFFAA02A0A0032117 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32119 ZFFAA02A4A0032119 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32121 ZFFAA02A2A0032121 1980 X X
    308 GTSi KOENIG 32167 ZFFAA02A4A0032167 1980 Black Black
    308 GTBi 32173 ZFFAA01A8A0032173 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32175 ZFFAA02A3A0032175 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 32177 ZFFAA02A7A0032177 1980 Blue Brown
    308 GTSi 32193 ZFFAA02A5A0032193 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32197 ZFFAA02A2A0032197 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32205 ZFFAA02A8A0032205 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32207 ZFFAA02A1A0032207 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32209 ZFFAA02A5A0032209 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32217 ZFFAA01A2A0032217 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 32221 ZFFAA02A6A0032221 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32231 ZFFAA02A9A0032231 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32253 ZFFAA01A6A0032253 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32265 ZFFAA02A4A0032265 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32269 ZFFAA02A1A0032269 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32271 ZFFAA02AXA0032271 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32275 ZFFAA02A7A0032275 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32285 ZFFAA02AXA0032285 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32287 ZFFAA02A3A0032287 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32295 ZFFAA02A2A0032295 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32315 ZFFAA02A4A0032315 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32317 ZFFAA02A8A0032317 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32321 ZFFAA02AXA0032321 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32323 ZFFAA02A3A0032323 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 32325 ZFFAA02A7A0032325 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTBi 32327 ZFFAA01A9A0032327 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32331 ZFFAA02A2A0032331 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32333 ZFFAA02A6A0032333 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32335 ZFFAA02AXA0032335 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32341 ZFFAA02A5A0032341 1980 Black Tan
    308 GTBi 32357 ZFFAA01A7A0032357 1980 Red Beige
    308 GTSi 32363 ZFFAA02A4A0032363 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32375 ZFFAA02A0A0032375 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32377 ZFFAA02A4A0032377 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32379 ZFFAA02A8A0032379 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 32387 ZFFAA02A7A0032387 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32401 ZFFAA01A6A0032401 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32403 ZFFAA02A1A0032403 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32411 ZFFAA02A0A0032411 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32431 ZFFAA02A6A0032431 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32433 ZFFAA02AXA0032433 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32457 ZFFAA02A2A0032457 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32471 ZFFAA01A5A0032471 1980 Black Tan
    308 GTSi 32473 ZFFAA02A0A0032473 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32487 ZFFAA02A0A0032487 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32491 ZFFAA02A2A0032491 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32507 ZFFAA02A2A0032507 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32509 ZFFAA02A6A0032509 1980 Black Black
    308 GTSi 32553 ZFFAA02A9A0032553 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32555 ZFFAA02A2A0032555 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32557 ZFFAA02A6A0032557 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32559 ZFFAA02AXA0032559 1980 Black Red
    308 GTSi 32561 ZFFAA02A8A0032561 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32571 ZFFAA01A9A0032571 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32573 ZFFAA02A4A0032573 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32575 ZFFAA02A8A0032575 1980 Silver Bordeaux
    308 GTSi 32577 ZFFAA02A1A0032577 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32579 ZFFAA02A5A0032579 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32581 ZFFAA02A3A0032581 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32583 ZFFAA02A7A0032583 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32585 ZFFAA02A0A0032585 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32589 ZFFAA02A8A0032589 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32595 ZFFAA02A3A0032595 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 32599 ZFFAA02A0A0032599 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32605 ZFFAA01A0A0032605 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32607 ZFFAA02A6A0032607 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32611 ZFFAA02A8A0032611 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32617 ZFFAA02A9A0032617 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32619 ZFFAA02A2A0032619 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32641 ZFFAA02A6A0032641 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32643 ZFFAA02AXA0032643 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32671 ZFFAA02A4A0032671 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32687 ZFFAA01A6A0032687 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32693 ZFFAA02A3A0032693 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32697 ZFFAA02A0A0032697 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32711 ZFFAA02A1A0032711 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32713 ZFFAA02A5A0032713 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32715 ZFFAA02A9A0032715 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32717 ZFFAA02A2A0032717 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32719 ZFFAA02A6A0032719 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 32721 ZFFAA02A4A0032721 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32723 ZFFAA02A8A0032723 1980 Black Tan
    308 GTSi 32727 ZFFAA02A5A0032727 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32747 ZFFAA02A0A0032747 1980 Black Black
    308 GTSi 32749 ZFFAA02A4A0032749 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32753 ZFFAA02A6A0032753 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32773 ZFFAA01AXA0032773 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32777 ZFFAA02A9A0032777 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32791 ZFFAA02A3A0032791 1980 Dark Blue Tan
    308 GTSi 32793 ZFFAA02A7A0032793 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32797 ZFFAA02A4A0032797 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32799 ZFFAA02A8A0032799 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 32801 ZFFAA02A2A0032801 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32803 ZFFAA02A6A0032803 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32807 ZFFAA01A1A0032807 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32809 ZFFAA01A5A0032809 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32813 ZFFAA02A9A0032813 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32815 ZFFAA02A2A0032815 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32819 ZFFAA02AXA0032819 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32821 ZFFAA02A8A0032821 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 32841 ZFFAA02A3A0032841 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32843 ZFFAA02A7A0032843 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32865 ZFFAA02A6A0032865 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32869 ZFFAA02A3A0032869 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32871 ZFFAA02A1A0032871 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32873 ZFFAA01A3A0032873 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32887 ZFFAA02A5A0032887 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32891 ZFFAA02A7A0032891 1980 Silver Black
    308 GTBi 32905 ZFFAA01A1A0032905 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 32907 ZFFAA01A5A0032907 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32925 ZFFAA02A9A0032925 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32929 ZFFAA02A6A0032929 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32939 ZFFAA02A9A0032939 1980 Red Cream
    308 GTSi 32941 ZFFAA02A7A0032941 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32943 ZFFAA02A0A0032943 1980 Red Red
    308 GTSi 32945 ZFFAA02A4A0032945 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32947 ZFFAA02A8A0032947 1980 Black Grey
    308 GTBi 32957 ZFFAA01A9A0032957 1980 Black Black
    308 GTSi 32959 ZFFAA02A4A0032959 1980 Red Bordeaux
    308 GTSi 32963 ZFFAA02A6A0032963 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 32967 ZFFAA02A3A0032967 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 32969 ZFFAA02A7A0032969 1980 Burgundy Black
    308 GTSi 32971 ZFFAA02A5A0032971 1980 Black Black
    308 GTSi 32973 ZFFAA02A9A0032973 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32993 ZFFAA02A4A0032993 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32995 ZFFAA02A8A0032995 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32997 ZFFAA02A1A0032997 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 32999 ZFFAA02A5A0032999 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33003 ZFFAA02A1A0033003 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33015 ZFFAA02A8A0033015 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 33033 ZFFAA01A8A0033033 1980 Black Black
    308 GTSi 33037 ZFFAA02A7A0033037 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 33075 ZFFAA01A2A0033075 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 33091 ZFFAA02A2A0033091 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33093 ZFFAA02A6A0033093 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33101 ZFFAA02A1A0033101 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 33111 ZFFAA01A2A0033111 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33115 ZFFAA02A1A0033115 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33141 ZFFAA02A2A0033141 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33143 ZFFAA02A6A0033143 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33147 ZFFAA02A3A0033147 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33149 ZFFAA02A7A0033149 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 33153 ZFFAA02A9A0033153 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33155 ZFFAA02A2A0033155 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33157 ZFFAA02A6A0033157 1980 X X
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    308 GTSi 33235 ZFFAA02A0A0033235 1980 Red Tan
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    308 GTSi 33399 ZFFAA02A8A0033399 1980 X X
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    308 GTSi 33409 ZFFAA02A7A0033409 1980 X X
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    308 GTSi 33433 ZFFAA02A4A0033433 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 33467 ZFFAA01A8A0033467 1980 Yellow Black
    308 GTSi 33471 ZFFAA02A1A0033471 1980 Silver Red
    308 GTSi 33473 ZFFAA02A5A0033473 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33485 ZFFAA02A1A0033485 1980 X X
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    308 GTSi 33547 ZFFAA02A8A0033547 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33553 ZFFAA02A3A0033553 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 33557 ZFFAA01A9A0033557 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33573 ZFFAA02A9A0033573 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33575 ZFFAA02A2A0033575 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 33579 ZFFAA02AXA0033579 1980 X X
    308 GTBi 33583 ZFFAA01AXA0033583 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33587 ZFFAA02A9A0033587 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33591 ZFFAA02A0A0033591 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33597 ZFFAA02A1A0033597 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 33599 ZFFAA02A5A0033599 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33603 ZFFAA02A3A0033603 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 33605 ZFFAA02A7A0033605 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33607 ZFFAA02A0A0033607 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 33615 ZFFAA02AXA0033615 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33639 ZFFAA02A2A0033639 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTSi 33657 ZFFAA02A4A0033657 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33661 ZFFAA02A6A0033661 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 33667 ZFFAA02A7A0033667 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33675 ZFFAA02A6A0033675 1980 X X
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    308 GTSi 33685 ZFFAA02A9A0033685 1980 X X
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    308 GTSi 33705 ZFFAA02A0A0033705 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 33709 ZFFAA02A8A0033709 1980 Red Black
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    308 GTSi 33779 ZFFAA02A7A0033779 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33781 ZFFAA02A5A0033781 1980 X X
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    308 GTSi 33787 ZFFAA02A6A0033787 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33815 ZFFAA02A7A0033815 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33817 ZFFAA02A0A0033817 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33823 ZFFAA02A6A0033823 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33827 ZFFAA02A3A0033827 1980 Black X
    308 GTSi 33861 ZFFAA02A3A0033861 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33863 ZFFAA02A7A0033863 1980 Red Black
    308 GTSi 33883 ZFFAA02A2A0033883 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33885 ZFFAA02A6A0033885 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 33899 ZFFAA02A6A0033899 1980 X X
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    308 GTBi 33975 ZFFAA01A5A0033975 1980 Red Tan
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    308 GTSi 34039 ZFFAA02A5A0034039 1980 X X
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    308 GTBi 34095 ZFFAA01A2A0034095 1980 Red Black
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    308 GTSi 34237 ZFFAA02A9A0034237 1980 Red X
    308 GTSi 34257 ZFFAA02A4A0034257 1980 X X
    308 GTSi 34259 ZFFAA02A8A0034259 1980 Red Tan
    308 GTBi 34261 ZFFAA01A4A0034261 1980 X X
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    308 GTSi 34495 ZFFAA02A9A0034495 1980 Red Red
     
  18. John A. Muller

    John A. Muller Formula Junior

    Apr 16, 2022
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    Chesapeake Beach, MD
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    John A. Muller
    I just now saw this list and the VIN designation does show the coding to be for US injected cars, and I can't argue. Just curious, as to where you come up with the list only because I have been looking for quite some time. Did you assemble the data over the years? If so, you deserve a resounding bravo for doing a really great job! Any reason the list wasn't posted years ago (like the GTB list)? This data blows a hole in all other documentation. Thanks for the input.
    John
     
  19. John A. Muller

    John A. Muller Formula Junior

    Apr 16, 2022
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    Chesapeake Beach, MD
    Full Name:
    John A. Muller
    You've made your point quite clear. The "transition" terminology came from data found in articles I came across in the years following my taking ownership of my car in 1985. Although I resented your initial post for being insulting and demeaning, I do thank you for the data provided. Have a great 4th of July, and maybe someday we might have a beer.
    John
     
  20. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
    37,087
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    Brian Crall
    #20 Rifledriver, Jun 30, 2023
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2023
    Not likely.
    This is not even a drop in the bucket of the data I have collected. I told you that very early on and you blew it off.

    Most of what you have been saying is very easily disproven buy a host of sources available in the public domain. yet you refused to listen to several here. .

    Like I said before, we are happy to share, we are happy to inform. I for one am not terribly well disposed to have an ill informed armature come here with wrong information and preach to us. and tell us how wrong we are.

    As for my sources, like others who do this seriously we are often given material confidentially from good points of origin that are not aware they are sharing. And we share with other like minded people all over the world.

    You could have very easily known most of this just by owning a copy of Matthias Urbans book " Handbuch Der Ferrari Serienummeren but that simple step has not even been taken.
     
  21. John A. Muller

    John A. Muller Formula Junior

    Apr 16, 2022
    259
    Chesapeake Beach, MD
    Full Name:
    John A. Muller
    I have never had a reason to doubt your credentials. What bothers me is your resorting to snide comments and boasting or your infalability. You tell me to pay attention to what you are saying, yet you will not give me equal courtesy by paying attention to the points I am trying to make based on information I have gathered. I am trying to make the point that while all you say is true, you are not addressing what I am trying to prove or disprove...You have chosen to tell me your opinion not trying to verify or discount the information I have obtained. As a reasoning adult of 87 years,I find that you came at me and continue to attack. I will try one last me to explain what I have been told by people I respect and documentation that I have uncovered. The information below is from FerrariChat, certified appraisals, many article and photos over the years. I never disputed you from the get-go...I didn't know who you were/are. Please take time to at least look over what I offed to share.
    Photos of early 1980 cars and late 1980 cars (sold as 1981 models even though it was late 1980).
    Photo of early 1980 GTBI and photo of late year GTBi (sold as 1981)
    Nardi vs Momo, GTB on dash vs. GTBi, clock/oil temp mounted vertically vs mounted horizontally, seat pattern of both cars is the same and not like the 1979 version...etc. Not many cars are configured this way (my car manfacture date of March, 1980 is in the same build period as the 1977-1980 steel bodied cars. I can go on, but the appraiser's report speaks for itself (the appraiser has great credentials and car knowledge).

    Enough said - I know the car is unique (see Godfry Eaton's The Complete Ferrari, page 341). my car was at the factory in March, 1980 and the VIN bulletin reflects that to be true. I believe you will come to the conclusion that my car's VIN matches (1 digit change by the factory (read the SB00-6 as it is explained).

    GTBi signage at the rear of both cars

    Appraisal of my car back in 2016 ($85K)

    GTBi tag at the rear

    It is late and time to end our discussion for now. You have some fierce heat for the holiday break, so take it easy and have an ice cold Shiner Bock or two. I look forward to your thoughts (friendly, of course).
    John

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  22. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    That is awesome
     
  23. John A. Muller

    John A. Muller Formula Junior

    Apr 16, 2022
    259
    Chesapeake Beach, MD
    Full Name:
    John A. Muller
    I totally agree. I see my car is the 5th GTB (31371), and I hope to see how many of the older bodied cars that got the Bosch K-Jetronic system before the fall run of cars. I was told and given info back in 1986 that the factory needed to use the cars with the older bodies were given the Bosch system; these cars (24 coupes and 29 spyders) were given the new patterned seats that would appear on the fall issue of cars, the clock/oil temp pod was vertically mounted to the console ,,GTBi identification on the exterior only and pretty much the car stayed equipped as all previous GTB cars re 14" Campagnolo wheels and 205/70 Michelin tires...the car introduced in the fall were 15" Speedline wheels, a horizontally mounted clock/oil temp pod added to the console. All data I gathered and verified by Ferrari books and sites like this pointed to this small group of cars. The info I sent show evidence that support what I was told. I sent the 2016 appraisal and the factory bulletin SB00-6, photos showing the difference of my early body car(i.e. 1977-80) versus the newer bodied cars labeled as 1980 GTBi whose run started in July 1980 onward until March, 1982 and the QV intro. I have been unable to get my interest in verifying or debunking the info supporting 23 other coupes like mine.

    Thanks for taking the time to consider this as it is being blown-off by your friend.
    Enjoy your 4th of July and stay safe!
    John
     
  24. Sergio Tavares

    Sergio Tavares Formula 3

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  25. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    May 4, 2001
    36,416
    Birmingham, AL
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    Tommy
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