Scuderia Ferrari 2023

Where is the Pampas Bull?

 

We're seeing more development in-season under Vasseur's leadership in 5 months than we did in the last 3 years of Binotto's tenure put together, and they're actually big packages that are serious pace improvements!

We kept hearing various excuses from Binotto on why Ferrari weren't developing their cars at anywhere near the level of the other teams, from "we're understanding" to "the cost cap", and it appears now the team are at least no longer in denial that drastic redesigns are needed.

It's good to see Ferrari developing at a level in league with Red Bull, Mercedes and AM.

 

I’m absolutely shocked by it. I never thought I would see the day when they would be able to develop a car during the season. I have to think Vasseur gets the credit here.

 

Well, the starting point was quite low. Also let's not get too carried away, at Spain a month ago they sucked.

I think that Silverstone is going to be the real test. If they're fine there I'd say they'll have a shot at being best of the rest.

 

Exactly.

And where is Fangio? Ascari? Hawthorn? Phil Hill? Surtees? Ickx? Gilles? ...

 

It's weird to see your mind twist there.

Remember who were the drivers aged 40?
Lately Kimi, now Alonso, Hamilton.
So your argument against drivers aged 40 looks very pale.

You should have watched SBK races for example, where motorbikes racing is much more agile and fierce than F1 processions, and you would see what Alvaro Bautista is doing at 39 years old on a motorbike(!). You can see how he battles 20 year old talents like Toprak and old master like Rea. ;p
Results? Check the WSBK for astonishing Bautista's records this year. ;p

But if you prefer to watch a bunch of Norrises Sainzes Ocons etc, and prefer them to older generation non forgettable "true" F1 drivers, that's weird.

Don't you wonder why battles "Alonso vs Hamilton" are rated more than "Verstappen vs Perez" etc? LOL

I can really see no true talents of the new generation, besides maybe Max and of course Charles.

 

No my point was only about how really physicals are this Formula One cars generation.

 

I also believe these cars are also mental given the data display on the screens of the steering wheel and all those buttons, knobs, and mini steering wheels close to the thumbs and index fingers.

 

A few I understand, however the amount they have now I think is ridiculous and contributing to some of the ‘impeding’ that happens because they have to fiddle with this junk and test things. With the display technology that exists there is no reason the helmets can’t have heads up displays inside the visor.

 

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Hearing rumours that Vasseur has approached albon to replace Sainz for 2025, apparently a pre-contract has been signed in Austria.

Albon and Leclerc get on really well and we all know how much of a talent Albon is.

 

I would have preferred Norris ..

 

Would that really be an upgrade? I think Sainz is starting to look good.

 

I'd say that with confidence that he'd be a very strong asset to Ferrari.

And I like Sainz...

 

Same here ! I don't really see the need for change at Ferrari.

The car is the problem, not the drivers. Then the strategy and pitwork will have to improve.

 

Albon is not a top tier driver and is in no way an improvement on Sainz. He might have his confidence back but his time and RedBull was not at all impressive. He and Gasly make a great team - mates lol. Logan is flattering Albon.

 

SF needs aero and suspension people who understand tire wear first and foremost. That is job 1. When you have the fastest car as MB did from 2014-21 and RB have had from ‘22 onward strategy becomes a lot easier…..the driver lineup is secondary until car superiority is achieved imho.

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/leclerc-radio-message-about-sainz-more-aggressive-than-it-should-have-been/10493464/

Leclerc: Radio message about Sainz "more aggressive than it should have been"
Charles Leclerc says his irate radio message about Ferrari team-mate Carlos Sainz during qualifying for Formula 1's British Grand Prix was "more aggressive than it should have been".


Both drivers made pointed remarks over the radio during Q1 on Saturday as they tussled for track position while running in third and fourth respectively.

Leclerc said "nice, Carlos, nice, good overtake in the last corner..." after Sainz passed him on track for position, despite the Monegasque driver having priority in the session.

Sainz then said: "It's a bit unfair what you're asking me to do there. Sacrifice my tyre temperature. But anyway, whatever. Also, I am P4, he is P3, I am more at risk."

Speaking after the session, both drivers said they had overreacted, with Leclerc blaming adrenaline while Sainz said it was a "high pressure, high tension moment" and said he was at risk of not getting a lap in.

Asked by Autosport what the thinking was behind the pair swapping places, Leclerc said: "In the pitlane, it's something that we were expecting as we are always trying to get out the cars at the same time as it's better to manage the cars coming.

"But then on track obviously this is where we had a bit more of a discussion. We have one race where I have the priority to choose whether I want to be in front or behind, and one race Carlos has the priority to choose whether he wants to be in front or behind.

"I had the choice here and I decided to be in front, then at the end, we were very tight on timing and I think it was very difficult for us to know whether we were going to get past or not before the flag and Carlos decided to overtake.

"It is not ideal, we will discuss it. It had no influence, so no big deal.

"Obviously with the adrenaline inside the car and you don't know at that point if you're going to make it, the radio message was probably a bit more aggressive than it should have been."

Leclerc said he thought Sainz would "understand pretty quickly" after a brief discussion.

Sainz said it was "not ideal in these conditions" having to let Leclerc past, but added that his team-mate had priority which is "how it should be."

Asked by Autosport whether he was upset at the end of Q1, Sainz said: "No, no, I wasn't upset, just a high tension, high-pressure moments with nearly getting out of Q1 without setting a lap because of the chequered flag that we were waiting a lot in the last corner.

"And at some point, I had to go a lap in. If not, I wouldn't have put a lap in."

Sainz blamed the confusion on traffic at the end of the session, adding that a "gentlemen's agreement" has been "completely forgotten."

He refuted a suggestion that the FIA needed to step in, but said drivers were "respecting it less and less."

Sainz said: "The problem is people behind started to overtake us, which meant, if you give a four-second gap between all the cars that meant that I was not gonna get a lap in, if everyone's gonna respect that four-second gap that we more or less give each other.

"And because a gentlemen's agreement doesn't exist anymore and it's been completely forgotten."

 

Deep and early look at next years concept!

Ferrari team principal Vasseur: ‘Need to have a deep look on the weekend’
19:04, TODAY LAST UPDATE: 19:22

Ferrari did not have a great race in Silverstone. The Italian constructor's cars started in fourth and fifth place respectively, but by the end of the race, they could only get three points as a team, with Charles Leclerc finishing in P9 and Carlos Sainz finishing in P10.

Team principal Frederic Vasseur was not happy with his team’s result following the race. "Starting from P4, P5, and we had the feeling after the quali that we could have done a much better job than this. We can’t be happy finishing P9 and P10, but now we need to have a deep look on the weekend, not just on the race," Vasseur told GPblog among others.

 

Vasseur ordered to finish this year´s upgrades quicker than planned, so I guess he´s already decided to get rid of this car as soon as possible and start early with a new one.

 

Did Hamilton give him the OK for doing this ?

 

https://f1i.com/news/480516-sainz-ferrari-still-too-dependent-on-wind-and-track-conditions.html


Carlos Sainz says Ferrari's performance is still too dependent on the wind and track conditions, a well-known weakness that the team needs to iron out as it is leaving the Scuderia "exposed" at certain venues.

Sainz and teammate Charles Leclerc were running among the top six in the first part of the British Grand Prix. But hampered by their car's lack of pace the pair eventually regressed to finish respectively P9 and P8.

Sainz said his struggles were rooted mainly in the SF-23's lack of traction, which the hard tyre used in his second stint only made worse.

 

Drama at Ferrari ?

ttps://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/895263/Ferrari_CIVIL_WAR_brewing_as_Leclerc_slams_TOTALLY_USELESS_Sainz_team/

Ferrari CIVIL WAR brewing as Leclerc slams 'TOTALLY USELESS' Sainz team

 

I wish Charles was this vocal about Xavi.

 

You have to blame Sf for hiring two No1 drivers or promising them No1 status. To flip flop from one weekend to another on who has priority is just stupid, disruptive and leads to acromony in the team. Can you think of an organisation the promotes and demotes there assistant manager / manager every other week.