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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Quite frankly he did.....:p

    All kidding aside, there are a couple of articles where he states the overspending was attributed to.
     
  2. 308luver

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    I'll say it again. Teams could triple the cap and not catch Max in that RB. The financial side of this is irrelevant.
     
  3. jgonzalesm6

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    With 8 races in, Max can use his points and go up against the WCC standings and still come out ahead.
     
  4. uniqueMR

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    Looking forward to Max breaking many records, starting with # of championships :)
     
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  5. SimCity3

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    FIA and Mercedes were very cosy together
     
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  6. ktu

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    Imagine how cosey Ferrari is to them, being the oldest team in F1. Mind blowing cosey.
     
  7. jimmyb

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    Max is a GREAT driver, no doubt. And he is racing against other GREAT drivers.
    That said, ANYONE that thinks there's not something funny with the RB19 either doesn't really know F1 or is such a Max homer they can't handle reality. There is NO way Max is this much faster than everyone on his own. The RB19 is head and shoulders above the rest of the field, much to Max's advantage.
     
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  8. SS454

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    I don't know, he's been making a joke out of his teammates for years. Surely all those Red Bull cars didn't have something fishy going on, and only for Verstappen's cars. I think Red Bull developed the car around Verstappen's preferences, which apparently is a car with an extremely good front end, and very few drivers can handle it.
     
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    #3859 jimmyb, Jul 4, 2023
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    ^^^'
    Max is the #1 driver so obviously the car is designed/developed to suit HIM.
    Keep in mind that 2016-2018 when he and Ricciardo were RB mates, Daniel outscored Max in 2 of the 3 years.

    Again, I think the guy is great (and possibly "generational"), but this is not a bunch of kids he's racing against. IMO, the RB19 is just TOO good and I question how it became that way.
     
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    I think 2018 is when they started to develop towards Max's style. Daniel Ric knew RBR was making Max their #1, so he left. Also by 2018, Max matured a lot and started to convert his natural speed into results.

    Funny thing about the RB19 is it isn't unbeatable in qualifying. It might be one of the best race cars we've ever seen. Maximum pace as good or better than anyone on any track, good fuel economy, good balance, good tire wear, reliable, good in all corners, yet has by far the best top speed and the most efficient DRS. Put it in the hands of Max, who can get to a speed that is faster than everyone, while still saving the car, tires, and fuel, and he can do it every lap. If the car was as good as most of the Mercedes 2014-2020 were, then RBR would be getting 1-2's every race. However, in the hands of Perez the car is definitely beatable. The data and results continue to suggest Max Verstappen really is that good.
     
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    #3861 jimmyb, Jul 5, 2023
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    ^^^
    A year and a half ago Max was gifted the WDC (by the FIA’s own admission) over Lewis. A year and half later, Lewis can’t get within a country mile of Max. I refuse to believe that Max’s skills improved that much and Lewis’s eroded that much. “Data” shows the RB19 does all the things you mention a lot better than any other car…

    PS. There is no one suggesting that Perez is or ever was as good as Max. That’s why he’s a second driver. To suggest that Perez should be nipping at Max’s heels for the season is silly.
     
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    Okay play that game, Max's WDC title is in the books.

    Justifiably, Lewis's WDC title was "gifted" in 2008 after Ecclestones interview in 2023 that he and Mosley coulda-woulda-shoulda have deleted the Singapore2008 race making Massa the WDC title holder for 2008.

    Either way you cut it, both titles, 2021 and 2008 are in the books if you're going to play this game.

    Move on please......
     
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    2021 Mercedes was the best car, and Max 100% deserved the title. Factoring in Baku, Silverstone, the FIA's biased, and the fact he passed LH on track in Abu Dhabi. 2022 Ferrari was arguably the best car for the first 8-11 races, and then RBR was definately the best car after Spa (TD39), yet Max won 15 races. 2023 the RBR is by far the best car and they aren't losing.

    I have some questions about their top speed, but it isnt unreasonable to develop the car to be that good based on that path. Mercedes lost their power edge and Honda is as good or better. And the 2022 regs are completely different, and Red Bull got it right. Not really surprising with Newey and his experience with ground effects.
     
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    Yes, it’s in the books and I shouldn’t have brought it up since I know guys like you will ignore what actually happened. As far as the Bernie interview in 2023…gimme a break. The old man wanted another 15 minutes in his golden years. That’s all.
    My point is that in a year and a half, Max didn’t get that much better and Lewis didn’t get that much worse. The RB19 is too good and I refuse to believe Newey is that much smarter than the rest of the field.
     
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    Well, maybe Mercedes got that bad? Have you ever looked at it that way?
     
  16. furoni

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    Maybe you should try to understand that Elton was never that good to begin with, but he had such a car advantage since 2014 that he looked like a genius...he wasn't. Max is better, but not as good as Michael, or Ayrton, or some others.
     
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    Agree 100%. M-B got it dead wrong (and is still getting it dead wrong, it appears).
    My point is that in seemingly equal (or close to) cars (2021), Max and Lewis were pretty much even. Now all of a sudden, Max is great and Lewis is so-so, all in a year and a half.
    And M-B is ONE team...what about the rest of the teams that can't catch Max/RB either?
     
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  18. ktu

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    Great point.
     
  19. jimmyb

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    You should do TV commentary...
    A 7 time WDC was "never that good to begin with"? You would be a hit on TV...until you got canned for making ridiculous proclamations.
     
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    Not fair.
    Max was already on same pace with Ricciardo at 17 years old ..
    Remember he was competing in karting two years before..
    With experience growing Ricciardo understood Max would be a beast.
    And decided to leave after 2018.
     
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    Regarding other teams, the one team that has really turned things around from 2022 vs 2023 is AMRF1. It's not at RedBulls level, but nonetheless, it has really gained ALOT of points(thanks to ALPHA-lonso).

    How has MercedesAMGF1, whom I consider a "juggernaut," fell off the map is beyond me but I believe they got "too technical" instead of just keeping things "simple." Currently, after 9 races, they seem to have moved in the right direction with the introduction of a new front suspension(race 8) and new sidepods(race 8). They seem to be "finding themselves" in the short term.

    Btw, Lewis is still "holding out" on his contract extension. Maybe he's waiting for Mercedes to build the right car and winning car which he doesn't feel he has that at the moment.
     
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    ^^^
    Again, I agree 100% on M-B last year and this year.
    It seems like, in their attempt to prove they're "the smartest guys in the room", they stepped on their d$$$$ instead (as the smartest guys in the room often do). Were I Lewis, I would be raising hell also...he's not getting younger and at 38, his window is closing...rapidly.
     
  23. furoni

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    Ktu likes you....keep the good work!
     
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    ^^^
    That's nice that he does.
    Keep making those inane statements...saying a 7 time WDC "was never that good to begin with" is just...ridiculous? ignorant? immature?
    I get it you hate the guy, which is your choice...but come on....:rolleyes:
    Your hatred is causing your common sense to take a vacation.
    Here's a hint:
    "Sure he won 7 WDC's, but he was never that good to begin with"
    Said no one ever except for...YOU.

    PS. There are TWO guys that have won 7 WDC's. How do you figure out of ALL the great drivers over many decades, that only TWO people have done it?
     
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    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Oooh.......oh......oh.......I know!(taking an excerpt out of Arnold Horseshack)

    One guy, and team, re-invented Ferrari.

    The other is a manufacturer re-invented the hybrid platform.
     
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