Pics of vintages I find/see on the net.

Thanks Robert for correcting my mistake, it looked very similar !

Eduardo Muñoz

 

From Goodwood FoS
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Thanks for posting, do we know which 512S that is?

 

Sorry no

 

1026

 

Ah Nick Mason, thank you.

 

L to R
0728, x, 27577, 1026, 0732, 0816, and then (obviously) 3757 standing by itself in the other photo.

 

0040M

 

PF is 0291/EU pre-resto in mid-80s and by the way: there are no utes on US west Coast!

Ghias are difficult to identify because of extremely high build quality. I have that one as 0193/EL, still carrying original paint color but cannot confirm. It was soon re-painted red and the bumpers were likely thrown into the trash. I think 0199EL was repainted red in the 1950s already, but cannot confirm that either.

 

Sir Anthony Bamford's 250 GTO 4399GT was also there, and the Breadvan, even I remember to hear some said it is a replica? Plus a small group called "Enzo's Ferraris--The Commendatore's Cars, with 250 GT 2+2 2837GT, 400 SA 3559SA, 250 GT/L 5677GT, 275 GTB 07797, 330 GT 2+2 8437GT and a 246 Dino.

 

RM appears to claim 1883GT was the Turin Motor Show car in 1960. That's one bold claim, taken into concideration we are talking about a car that was completed THREE MONTHS earlier.

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo23/monterey/lots/r0034-1960-ferrari-250-gt-swb-california-spider-by-scaglietti/1345998

 

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Under the rain...

 

The real Breadvan was retired from racing by its owner MH who had a toolroom copy built.

Very common in historic racing now.

It fooled me when they offered me to sit in it on the Friday evening at LMC last year but of course I was in a good memories mood of having driven it - the real one- a couple of times before in Louisiana 2000 and LMC 2008, not in a forensic detective mood...

This tool room copy is the car that was crashed 36 hours later in Le Mans Classic last year.

Somehow the rebuild was delayed and it barely ran at LMC this year due to a brake overheating issue that was eventually cured. Next on the program was the FOS.

 

They should start selling tickets for play money if fake cars are being raced.

 

Would you race a ten, twenty M$ car?
You know very well this has been a developing trend in vintage racing for years.

As I have said before I would rather watch an excellent tool room replica race than a real car in an auction or sterile concours.

 

Irrelevant. I'm disgusted by the fact that people travel and pay serious money for travel & tickets and get to see some lousy fakes. That's fraud in my book.

 

You totally miss the point. You prefer the money porn of greed-culation at auctions or sterile concours?

When you are at Le Mans Classic at night watching the racing with the sheer history and charisma the place has you would have to be a very sad person not to have your heart and soul touched...that is why I love LMC and other vintage racing events and will probably never go back to Monterey which has totally lost its soul as it is all about auctions and concours with hardly 5% of the people going to Laguna Seca for the races.

 

I can see new cars racing in the night if I look out of my bedroom window as we speak. Nuff said, over and out.

 

Yes no desire on my side either to continue this exchange...

There are people here who never go to events and have very rigid views....and there are those who do and share in the wonder

 

What year was that? It was most likely still the real car.

 

Thought so, 2014 I believe, that was the real one, first time I met the current (then new) owner during the Tour Auto at Dijon.

Not sure exactly when but the tool room copy was built much later, perhaps after he had a scary fire in the cockpit moment at the Nurbugring.

 

Real atmosphere at vintage racing events has passed away long time ago. You can see large hospitality tents, ugly converted coffee vans, huge race trucks and also auctions in the paddocks, too–things you didn’t have in the paddocks decades ago. That isn’t the atmosphere of the good old times, whatever one might imagine by oneself, even at Goodwood. At least the hygenic situation has improved much since, let’s say, 1970... The cars are mostly fakes, except maybe for minor series like formula junior and the like. Most of the drivers want to have fun with their cars, and it doesn’t make any difference for them to race modern or vintage cars–they have enough money to rebuild old stuff just for track fun. It’s just to please their ego and they chose vintage racing because it’s easier for them than with modern race cars like a 296 GT3–some of them would be banned from the tracks beacuse of dangerous driving. Who says that you have to go with too much ambition to the limits of a GTO or GT40? 90 per cent would be enough, there is no really important championship to win. That the audience would like to see real things for their real money neither bother them nor the organizers. It is simply fraud. just one elder motor sports fan’s opinion.