My dealership told me that we have to expect the largest jump in price between 2 regular production V12 models.
I can not remember where I read it, but some automobile writers are anticipating a price of around 600K Euros. Nuts
The dealers see the replacement as a price gouging opportunity. It has been a Ferrari staple for decades although the factory has caught on and has hiked prices so as to not leave any money on the table. Repeat customers are stuck in the wash-rinse-repeat cycle… Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
If we just add the last 3-4 years inflation % to the car and normalise the price across the globe 30% would not be out of the ordinary ito price increase for inflation only. Thats also before the "hype factor". So imo 40% would not be out of the question IMO
That’s only because Revuelto competes directly against SF90, rather than the F167 and has 1,000+ bhp. F167 will have base price very high 400’s. $479 to $489. They won’t risk losing too high a percentage of potential buyers by crossing the $500k rubicon. Not for a non-halo non-limited regular series production car. They can’t afford to lose too many buyers and they know that they will more than make it up on TM sessions and tricked out specs.
The real crazy specs and prices are with the LE version(s). Remember last of the last of the last of the last...
I have 2 things to say about that: 1. Actually, quite a high percentage of 812 GTS had very expensive option and specification packages. I believe that was because even though it was not limited production, it was seen as relatively rare and special, as the factory had not produced a series production convertible V12 in the modern decades. I believe the F167 will also be treated as ‘not limited but special’ because it will ( this time for real guys ) be plausibly considered the last call for series production V12 whether or not this is actually articulated by Ferrari. 2. Just as there is Top and VIP and other internal rankings for allocations, I believe that customers who are not in those super rankings based on the volume of cars they buy from the factory, but do however create very expensive specs when they DO buy a car, I believe those people will be favored for an allocation among the non-vip cohort of interested buyers.
It is far simpler than that. Allocations get set (and re-set) based on numerous factors. Lots of options equals lots of additional profits for Ferrari. Dealers with few options do not get as many allocations moving forward. Every dealer wants to maximize allocations. Thus, the dealer push for lots of selected on options on every car. Why wouldn’t they? If someone doesn’t want options, they can just sit on the wait list.
Yep, for Pininfarina, considering ideas for the back of the F12, they took inspiration from an Etruscan fertility goddess. For Manzoni, considering ideas for the back of the 812, he took inspiration from the back of bus.
Whether the 812/812GTS are not the absolute final v12’s I have to believe they will be held in high regard in the future. They are massively powerful and have gorgeous interiors. The whole GT car with digital and haptic interfaces totally clashes in my opinion. Look at the DM P72 and the Pagani’s as examples of stunning analog dashboards. Some things don’t mix, like peanut butter and caviar.
Manzoni significantly missed the mark on the GTS. Had an opportunity to do something special for the first convertible V12 GT in a long while and just faked it with a buzz saw to the roof of the SF. Even had the read fender vents but this time fake as he tried to sculp the fender hips back to the F12 closing off the intakes. At least he corrected the disaster of the the tilting rear blade. Its definitely special to the people that bought them and high spec'd them as falling into the last of the last of the last NA V12 trap again. All Ferraris are special so we like to kid but some things are just obvious.
While I think analog vs. digital dash will get 9 out of 10 votes on this forum, the presence of a digital dash would NOT deter 9 out of 10 of us from buying a car that we like everything else about. At the end of the day it’s a minor annoyance that you get used to. As per day355, Ferrari buyers will run, not walk, to their local dealership to trade their 812 for the F167 when they see it, despite the digital dash. Based on triangulating all the intel, my personal belief is that this will be the best looking and most dynamic driving experience of any front engined V12 Ferrari by a significant margin and likely the best and last there will ever be. A swan song for the ages. I think this one is the keeper.
For me, the digital dash is not the problem, we already have 2 screens. I don’t want the haptic controls and lack of physical buttons. Just more things for the infamous “Italian electrical gremlins” to mess with.
Agreed! I like the physical rev counter but a high resolution, high refresh rate display can also be very cool. I dont think many people complained the LAF had a digital rev counter. But yeah, losing the proper feedback from a real button, and having a same button change function depending on the mode/screen you are in is a let down to me (not that I matter in any shape or form to Ferrari).
I used to prefer physical rev counters as well but now that I have an Alfa Tonale, I love the digital one, you can choose a normal setting (modern design) but they also recreated a digital copy of the counters of the Giulia from the 60s, and I find the result really cool! Ferrari should do something like this, imagine being able to choose between a 250 GT California counter, a 275 one, a 288 GTO one… Image Unavailable, Please Login
Completely disagree. I’ve never had a better automotive experience than in the GTS. It’s beautiful and muscular. Yes, mine is VERY highly specced, but we knew it wasn’t the last of the V12s. Still a sight to see and a joy to drive.
Yes, enough is enough. This thread is about the new F167 after all. Ok, my new rough F167 sketch for your entertainment: Modern and simple lines, organic and fluid. The design is a mixture between past, present and future. The cabin is a bit more centered, short back, wide hips. I don't know the final design, but would like this direction... Image Unavailable, Please Login
I don’t mind haptic buttons on a screen for “soft” suspension cars as I tend to not miss a button when touched but on a sports car, even in rough road setting there is too much jostling to get it right. Give me mostly real buttons for the things I need the most - AC/heat, radio on/off and volume and car setup. As much as I love the GTS scrolling through menus (using real knobs and buttons)on those tiny screens is a mess. Give me a big screen center dash just above the center tunnel for that stuff with both haptic and real buttons Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
