250 PF Coupe ...

So the "opera light" turn signals mounted on the roof B pillar were a later PininFarina feature? I like that they moved them away from the front corners and kept that sculpted area less busy.

 

The small marker lights on the roof pillars of a Pf Coupe were a feature of the early series inside-plug/drum brake 250 Coupe Pininfarina. With the later outside-plug/disc brake series, the pillar lights were eliminated. Some cars in the transition were of mixed specification. The pillar lights were Marchal, usually two color - one half-lens clear, the other half-lens red. Sometimes clear/clear. They were fit over a chrome trim ring of diameter larger than the light. The 1st and 2nd series Pinin Farina 410 SuperAmericas had the same Marchal pillar light feature. It is the 2nd series of Pf Coupes that have marker lights on the sides of the front fender corner.
There is a SIEM brand split lens marker light that is very similar to the Marchal, but I have not seen them on Pf Coupe.

 

Marchal on the left and SIEM on the right.




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Where else is the world can you get info like this?
Love it.

 

It seems that chassis 1063 GT ended up as another LWB Spyder California replica....

 

1063 seams odd to be 1960... must be earlier

 

It looks like someone went "MacGyver" on my fuel pump. Any help on re-builts or new old stock ? Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

Some much time and effort is spent restoring areas of the cars never seen. I love seeing photos like this.

 

Seems not hard to find original type FISPA electric pump, there are reproductions too - see the usual suspects, Superformance in the UK, GTO, ebay, etc.. Prices are all over the map. You will need also the original special fuel line configuration for the original pump. I recall MPI has by-pass fuel fitting that allows one to have the original FISPA pump in place with a non-invasive auxiliary modern pump for routine use, easily reversed (see tomyang.net site for blog on this). There are rebuild kits for the pump, but the little electric points don't seem to be offered - maybe someone knows where to get these?

 

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proper plating & plumbing - the orig. copper break lines done right.. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

Copper or copper plated brake lines?

 

Real copper - my guy has saved material for 30+ years
I did not know how special this material is.. same boat as Daytona mouse hair dash material

 

I don’t think “real copper”(?) tubing is appropriate/safe/strong enough to be used in automotive braking systems on vehicles intended for public road use.
Just check with NHSTA and other governmental regulatory agencies.

As for Daytona dash covering “mouse hair”, 95+% correct material is and has been available for years.

 

Properties vary enormously depending on hardness (grain size). In annealed state it is as soft as 24k gold. Cold rolled to maximum reduction it changed dramatically and resembles steel. I think cold rolled tubing was used as brake line in the old days.

 

Yes, I’m somewhat familiar with metallurgy, but don’t have enough experience or research of it in reference to brake line tubing of “the old days” on older Italian sports cars*.

*My hands-on experience is mostly with Daytona era and none I’ve worked on have had “real copper” tubing.
Same with all postwar American cars I’ve worked on.
I’ve seen some in really early, 100+ years old, vehicles, but not sure if any were OEM applications.

 

... I've also seen "copper tubing" brake line that had bursted under the pressure during operation.
I don't recall exact figures, but an automotive hydraulic braking system can develop perhaps as much as 1500-200o PSI line pressure during operation.
Choose your lines accordingly.

 

It has been my experience that Ferrari uses copper plated steel. If I remember my chemistry copper work hardens when subjected to the vibrations common in any automobile and it will eventually crack and fail.
Brake fluid is hydroscopic so it attracts and absorbs water. The copper plating protects the steel from rusting, an extra step Ferrari takes because they are Ferrari and do things next level. Who else ?

 

Yes, but should read ‘hygroscopic’.

 

Every detail put to microscope .. now I need to confirm ..


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I don’t doubt or question your experience, but can’t help wondering if the brake line tubing originally used in vintage Ferraris was actually copper plated internally.
I haven’t studied Daytona brake line tubing very closely or conducted any metallurgical test on any, but while they do seem to have some protective coating/plating (but not copper) on the outside, I’ve experienced/seen some break/burst under pressure due to external corrosion on more than one car.

 

Originally, the brake tubing, as well as fuel line tubing, was copper plated steel. The copper/nickel alloy brake lines are a good alternative. They have the copper look, albeit a little pale in comparison to the original. Here are pictures of the original brake and fuel tubing still in good shape.

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The modern material worldwide is NiCopp or Cunifer. DOT and EU approved. Plain copper work hardens and has no place as brake or fuel line.
Federal Hill Trading Company (fedhillusa.com)

 

Exactly, the dimensions were very different and pressure very low.

 

I've been offered a collection of ten original Cheney Hose clamps. They need replating but are otherwise good condition. I'd appreciate input regarding value. I recall at one point these were pricey and difficult to find.
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not cheney. looks like serflex.
btw i have cheney and serflex available.