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  1. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Update that to reflect today -- 1 Lap!
     
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  2. absostone

    absostone F1 World Champ
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    there is no "show ignored content" button on any pages. I wonder what happened? they never showed up to support Sir boy
     
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  3. Formula 1

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    Never.....next question :(
     
  4. DF1

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    Race Day current look is --

    Sun 7/30

    20° /11°
    55%

    A couple of showers in the morning; otherwise, intervals of clouds and sunshine


    RealFeel®22°

    RealFeel Shade™18°

    Max UV Index7 High

    WindWSW 13 km/h
     
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  5. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Christian Horner says they were 7 million under the 2022 cost cap due to development, and crash damage.
     
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  7. jgonzalesm6

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    +1

    It was Toro Rosso/Alpha Tauri....then RedBull followed suit. It was a marriage made in heaven.
     
  8. mtxv14

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    All Sainz had to do was cover a 5 second delta to get in front of Leclerc on a lap newer tires.

    He couldn’t do it. But yea, much better. Maybe Carlos was better when Leclerc unceremoniously kicked him out of q3?

    Sainz is mid, and only gets in front when the team ****s Leclerc. Today it was a 9 second pit stop.
     
  9. Kimi2007

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    I'm not one to defend the Ferrari technical department, but the idea that their car is some impossible monster that's the worst in the field is BS.

    Today, both Ferrari's could've finished ahead of Russel and Piastri. Bad tire management at the end of their stints, the team refusing to order Leclerc to let Sainz through when the latter had better pace, the malfunction of the air gun (which couldn't be helped), and the inexcusable rookie style speeding in the pitlane cost them two places on the track. No doubt about it.

    If this is how the team handles the pressure of 4th-5th place, imagine how bad it would be in a fight for first.
     
  10. Kimi2007

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    Oh, come off it.

    Leclerc couldn't get passed Sainz without speeding in the pitlane and costing the whole team. It's called dirty air. :rolleyes:

    Today should put a rest to all the conspiracies that Sainz has some insider control of the team.
     
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  11. Jeronimo GTO

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  12. jpalmito

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    No one said the car is the worst of the field.
    They are just good for 6-7 at best.
    Which is high midfield to me.
    No importance in the end.
    Most worrying thing is they don’t know how to improve a car.
    A good one ( SF75)
    Or a bad one like this year.
     
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  13. absostone

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    Maybe they should develop a little further for good measure
     
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  14. Formula 1

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    I agree...too bad they won't have to worry about ever having to fight for first ever again.
     
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  16. Kimi2007

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    And that's another thing.

    The F1-75 was not some great car. In actuality, it was a car that got lucky a few times Red Bull had issues. Bahrain, Melbourne, Silverstone, and Austria were the only races the car won, and those were all days Red Bull had some kind of issue. When Red Bull sorted their problems out, the true deficit became alarmingly clear.
     
  17. GuyIncognito

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    when they clean house of all drivers engineers and managers
     
  18. jpalmito

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    Indeed
    And unlucky numerous times !
    Monaco, Baku, France Silverstone, Hungary
    Car was a very good one.
    Not a championship contender but enough quick to score 7 or 8 wins during the season.
    Again main problem is their inability to improve during a season.
     
  19. Kimi2007

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    Think about the reputation Mercedes W-13 had.

    They got 17 podiums, 24 top 5's, 1 1-2 finish, and almost beat Ferrari to second place in the WCC. This, in a car that was a laughable, bouncing pimp mobile the entire season.

    That's because they know how to maximize their packages, work on real race pace, their drivers have excellent race craft, and they have competent (even if not perfect) strategy, with race engineers who know WTF they're doing.
     
  20. Kimi2007

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    Disagree.

    When Ferrari wake up and hire some of the talent at AF Corse and Risi Competizione to be in charge of all race operations, and they poach a few technical minds from Mercedes and Red Bull, they'd turn around overnight.

    Vasseur is doing some of the latter, but needs to seriously start lobbying for the former.
     
  21. ktu

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    This guy can't go a day without thinking of Sir Lewis Hamilton. But remember,..... they say I'm the troll. Lol
     
  22. jgonzalesm6

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    Ferrari needs the best of the best to launch themselves into P1 status in qualifying, race pace, tire degradation, tire strat.

    Yes, they are poaching engineers from other teams.....but they're not the best of the best.
     
  23. GuyIncognito

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    when your customer sports car teams are better than your factory F1 team…time to clean house
     
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  24. jgonzalesm6

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    Hamilton post race:

    Hamilton: "The initial get away wasn't the worst. Max had a good one. I had wheel spin. Then Max ran me a bit wide and the McLaren's got me. I just didn't have the pace from there."

    He says if they had the pace at the end of the race at the start they would have been strong.

    Hamilton: "Like a broken record, I've been telling the guys to go in that direction. I want to see it either this year or next year."

    Hamilton: "We have a lot of work to do to catch up with Red Bull. The car this weekend, we don't know the reason. We have a bigger wing then Red Bull, but they tend to have more downforce from the floor."
     
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  25. mtxv14

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    Imagine thinking 58 mph for a split second too long was the reason for the gap.

    What was the reason that Sainz was smoked in Q2? Did he get intimidated again?
     

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