Did Ferrari Cheat Their Best Clients?

Hmmm... I met Carbon a long time ago...
1. Congrats on the weight loss, good for him
2. Some really crazy accusations ... does not seem great to say an automaker tries to off someone... that can't end well.
3. VINWIKI - has jumped the shark. It is literally add fodder.

 

Repost.

MM

 

Yes/no, because this particular post is in a public, non-subscription part of the forum.

 

and here: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/149235816/
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Is anyone actually surprised by this? Good on Carbon doing the legwork and dedication to his passion. However, I feel the title for this story is sensationalized.

 

Absolutely not.

 

Happy to say he's wrong. a bit far fetched if you ask me.

 

This isn't a gotcha question or anything. Asking for clarification...

Are you saying carbon IS wrong and that Ferrari did only build what they said they built? As in Ferrari told the truth and carbon is wrong?

 

No. Ferrari has played fast and loose with numbers for a long time and anyone who knows them very well knows that.
There are a lot of examples and for the most part its just amusing. Like Carbon said, who really cares if there are 400 or 450 Enzos?

On the other hand I know someone who cared very much that he was sold 1 of 1 of a very special car then suddenly there were 3 of them.

 

Marcel confirmed a while back on fchat that around 500 Enzo's were built.

 

I believe Gerald Roush had over 440 VINs in his files. Carbon just piggy backed on that data.

 

Didn't the F40 have the highest markup of any Ferrari ever made to date? I had heard the F40 didn't cost even 2x what it cost to crank out a 328.

 

288 dealer cost was less than TR. Are you asking difference between factory cost to produce and dealer cost or between dealer cost and sticker.

Dealer cost below retail was much better then than now. We made more selling 328 at retail than selling a 360 at retail. And a 360 was 2 1/2 times as much? I do not know of a single F40 that sold for sticker so sticker price was pretty meaningless.

Money in a Ferrari dealer is not selling new cars.

 

Factory cost to produce. Someone with Rutlands years ago told me Ferrari (factory) made money hand over fist with the F40 as they weren't all that costly to produce, I want to say it was Sal. Sounds like they did with the 288 as well.

 

There was nothing revolutionary in the F40 design, much it was evolution of existing components, and costs were to be recovered over only a few hundred units, so after that it was all gravy for the factory

 

The people who made money on 288 and F40 was not the factory. It was the dealers. Say all up a 288 cost $50,000 to make and went to a dealer for $75,000. Retail was mid 90's but dealer sold it for a million. Who made the money? F40 same deal. Thats why the factory changed the deal on F50. Got tired of seeing the dealers get all the money on special cars.


It was my opinion at the time 328 should never have been built. As good a car as it was with the cost of a 288 why not make it a full production model. Have a naturally aspirated 3.2 and a turbo 2.8.
The product developers never asked me.

 

Nothing like it was for the dealers.

 

The only existing components were the engine parts. Gear box all new, brakes all new, chassis all new, body all new. interior and HVAC all new.

I'm confused.

 

great insight and, looking at it that way, I totally agree. More 288s on the market these days, rather than 328s, couldn’t possibly be a bad thing.


You should write a book or memoirs on this stuff. Model by model, and don’t hold back. I’d buy a copy, or a dozen. Make sure it’s published in Italian as well

And I remembered, it was Serio at Rutlands who sang this song to me. He worked and turned wrenches at a number of places including Auto Zipper many years ago. Another treasure of knowledge

 

The factory charged the dealer about $33,000 for a 2Vi and about $37,000 for a QV. Build cost? Who knows.

I saw the original invoices for an 81 and an 84 when I visited the Classiche department last year

 

They should have.

 

I dunno what dickhead said, and I dunno what to know. But did some customers get screwed on the Enzo allocation? You betcha. Dr. Steve Earle was one of them. This is what I don't understand about the brand. Ferrari apparently hates its customers. Enuf said.

 

Brian:
the gearbox was also there! Just reworked in some areas. Beefier gears and oil cooling are the main difference.