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Maranellos are disappearing

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  1. Ferrari55whoa

    Ferrari55whoa F1 Rookie
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    There have been some....especially a few on BaT that came from Japan.

    There are vastly different opinions on if one would want an import.

    When I was hunting, the pricing for me at least would have been higher than a salvage title car but significantly lower than a US car.

    I believe most of the imports I've noticed have been light on options as well (due to them being early 550's).

    As 575's age out and can be imported, that will be some interesting data gathering for me because I think I need a 575....my wife of course disagrees.....;-)
     
  2. scowman

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    Yeah. Been thinking that too.
     
  3. Ferrari55whoa

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    I’ve not prowled/trolled the 612 sub section but how in the world can someone buy so much amazingness as a 612 for the relatively low money those are trading for? Just wow.

    this car was for sale here in classifieds and then sold on BaT https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-ferrari-612-scaglietti-22/
     
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  4. scowman

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    Kinda ugly. Is it the ugly discount?
     
  5. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    2+2s have always underperformed contemporary two-seaters. 612 chassis was fully updated, but the engine is an upgraded F133. Chassis was shortened and an F140 engine used for the 599.
     
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  6. Themaven

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    It’s a good point. And 2+2 Ferraris have never been good “investments” in that way. Though great value by the same logic, after a few years.
     
  7. Ferrari55whoa

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    If I understand correctly the 612 successor the FF (which I like the looks of) did get the F140 but I loosely understand one must be cautious of the four wheel drive system/maintenance.
     
  8. tazandjan

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    Pretty much everything V12 after the Enzo got a version of its F140B engine starting with the 599. Productionized and missing the titanium connecting rods, displacement increased later, etc., but based on that engine.
     
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  9. Condor Man

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    I agree! That’s a bloody lot of car for the money!


    May the Horse be with you
     
  10. JohnnyRay

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    Yes, but you have to like the 612, the F1 and the prospect of 5 year major service intervals. I think it's attractive for what it is, but it looks neglected like a typical middle east car and the seller is indifferent. It is a gateway to V12 ownership...but at what total cost?
     
  11. Amin.S

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    Looks like a fair price to me considering the beautiful and rare color. The mileage isn’t too high either.


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  12. bay

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  13. LVP488

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    That seems to be an attractive pricing - but I think the post-Brexit UK market is facing specific challenges; before, such a LHD car would have been an easy export to continental Europe but now most potential customers will prefer an intra EU deal to avoid customs headaches.
     
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  14. TwoMinds

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    Advert is now gone. But I've seen this on and off for the past 2 years so who knows if sold or not.
     
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  16. Themaven

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    For a main dealer to be offering a 70,000 mile Ferrari for 110k something must be going on.
     
  17. Kevin Bird

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    I looked at this car when it was for sale with them 6 months ago. It still needed lots of tidying, particularly under the bonnet. No warranty was being offered so I walked away.

    I thought they had sold it so it's strange that it's back
     
  18. Depreciating Asset

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    Just curious, it is common in the UK for warranties to be offered for cars of that age?
     
  19. haroonok

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    I bought a 550 from a Ferrari main dealer in 2015 and it came with a 12 month warranty for which i was grateful when the clutch release bearing failed soon after!
     
  20. Kevin Bird

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    From a main dealer, yes. From an independent dealer, just a 14-day return policy
     
  21. Themaven

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    Main dealers occasionally offer classics and modern classics with a 12 month warranty, though a 70k mile Maranello is very rare in this context.

    I have bought three Ferraris from main dealers with this kind of warranty in the last few years, two manual 430s and a manual 575. Ferrari dealer warranties are pretty good compared to the competition and the cars had a few issues fixed under them.

    Good specialists will offer some kind of warranty also.

    Others might give you the option of an aftermarket warranty which isn’t really worth much on a car like these.

    basic statutory rights are a 3 month warranty for any car sold by the trade, though many try to pretend that these don’t exist.
     
  22. ralfabco

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    #2922 ralfabco, Jul 21, 2023
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    Before Covid I also looked at the Japanese market 550's. When I found something nice it did not come with much of a discount over a rank and file similar U.S. car.

    At the time some of the early 550's with some minor cosmetic issues (pull on the dash) appeared to be priced a bit less and may have offered some incentive to purchase a RoW car. I did not find any 550 bargains.

    Some of the early 1994 456's appeared to offer good prices. These also had the nice no-airbag steering wheel.

    I also believe you needed to have a radiation test performed to export a vehicle from Japan. Freight fees have significantly increased. A buyer who looks for a bargain should also take into account how a number of U.S. buyers will only purchase a US market car. When you are ready to search for the exit a RoW vehicle may limit your US buyers. This is not necessarily fair - but it is reality.
     
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  23. Ferrari55whoa

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    Agreed.

    That 550 in gstadt Switzerland yesterday on PCarmarket seemed frankly high for Europe and I don’t know why anyone in the US would have bought that car over a domestic car like the one Chris has for sale in the classifieds (Nifty550’s prior car).

    to be clear the Switzerland car was RNM with a post auction asking of $160k USD
     
  24. Themaven

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    Yes. I would be very wary about buying a car from the UAE. This one spent more than 10 years there. Dealbreaker for me. Whatever the price on a car like this.
     
  25. Themaven

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    Well, that was exciting.

    This Rosso/Nero F1 LHD (German market) 575 was on sale in the UK on Collecting Cars:

    https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2003-ferrari-575m-maranello-15

    I wasn't aware of it, just arrived at a business trip hotel in Germany, ordered a beer, sat in the bar, opened CC for the first time in a while and there it was.

    Four minutes to go and it had reached the upper 40,000s GBP, though I noticed it had been bid up from the previous day's 39k within the last half hour.

    Then, a bidding war! In the space of the next ten minutes there were around 60 (yep) bids, taking it through the 50s into the 60s. At first a few guys, all plainly pros/dealers as they were waiting til the last seconds each time - the clock resets at two minutes to go each time a bid is received in the last 2 minutes.

    In the end there were two guys slugging it out and it eventually went for £67.5k which I guess is more than the winning bidder expected to pay for it. Strong price for a LHD car.

    Anyway, fun and games and a reference price that probably wouldn't happen tomorrow or yesterday!
     

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