Yeah its no limitation and they still can't overcome the deficit, at least currently. You can overcome lower power with chassis, that's how RB and Ferrari beat Williams.
Hence we arrive at my earlier statement, "only so much you can do". Get it now? Merc with a great engine, very good chassis and very good aero, you can't break the laws of physics, therefore there was only so much you can do.
But you just confirming what I said that its more than the engine anyway. Just like its only so much other teams can do now to make up deficit to RB especially with the cost cap rules. I think you are just saying it a different way.
Adrian Newey has been the smartest brain in Formula One since 1988, and by far; and he had proved this time and time again. He had a few periods when he had to contend being "second best" - in the matter of results, that is - especially when Mercedes had the better engine. It's up to the other teams to find a smarter guy than him; most have been trying hard for the last 35 years or so. Formula One is about competiton, as far as I know. If the other teams are unable to outsmart Newey, well: too bad for them. Good news for them is that he is old (exactly my age, bar a year or two); in about 25 years from now, he should be toasted... Rgds
I have indeed thought about that a lot. And also about "why haven't we had another like him yet"? I mean, he is 64 now, and has been at the top of the game since the "March-Judd" of 1988 (or 89) There MUST be some young guy out there as smart as he was in his days, no? Rgds
Are we to believe that F1 teams don't trust enough young engineers and designers ? Other industries do.
We've been saying that since 2014, it wasn't just the engine, it was the whole package. Nothing new to that. It was just that the engine was so powerful, basic laws of physics combined with the FIA no engine development rule, meant that overcoming that gap was simply impossible. Now the engine is the same for the top teams, certainly within the margin of error. Red Bull has the fewest development hours available of anyone. Aston Martin and Mclaren certainly made the right steps and moved miles up. Not Red Bull's fault that Mercedes and Ferrari doubled down on their own concept.
Because between 2014 and 2016 the PU didn't have the development freedom that the aero and chassis departments had. It's been said already, there was a token system to allow teams to catch up.
The way I read it is Max is confident in believing that he is faster than Lewis and would beat him. It could be implied that other drivers are fully capable of beating him too. The first part is 100% true, and I tend to believe the second part too. Perhaps he was just sick and tired of the media talking it up that Lewis was the greatest driver ever when he knew that he would smash him in the same equipment. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for him to claim other drivers would win in a Red Bull because they would have to beat him, and he doesn't believe any driver can beat him. I tend to agree with this too.
@Bas, @ktu: Neither of you are coming across very gentlemanly here. Please dial back that personal rhetoric. All the best, Andrew.
I find it increasingly hard to stay civil to someone that continuously rewrites history at any given opportunity (see last page of the Max thread, for example, which played out at the same time as this). This individual has no interest whatsoever in anything Ferrari, just here to spread the word of his idol. The same individual spend years (!) calling anyone he has a disagreement with ''haters'', despite him admitting that ''hater'' to him is a terrible insult. I'm all for having a reasoned argument or see compare viewpoints but we are dealing, yet again, with cult level behavior. Even factual statements get turned around, ignored and rewritten. It's the same situation as Toil.
To reiterate the moderation position: This is not a Ferrari F1 forum. It is a general F1 forum that happens to be on a Ferrari site. If you find fans of other marques/teams intolerable, add them to your ignore list to save yourself from the incivility that forces mods to sanction you. All the best, Andrew.
He's been on my ignore list for quite some time but such is his pollution with what can only be seen as deliberately provoking statements it's hard to follow threads with any meaningful context. It's not a crime to like other drivers or teams here, plenty of us do like other drivers and teams. I simply question the motives of someone that clearly shows zero sign of any interests in Ferrari drivers, the Ferrari team, the Ferrari F1 history or indeed even Ferrari road cars. Ignoring genuine facts with what can only be seen as being done deliberately clearly breaks the forum rules (1.2).
Redbull also have the Valkyrie and RB17 development going on in the back ground, Both of which AN is head designer. AM made huge gains when they had loads of time in the WT and so on, now they are capped in 2nd place allowence ( After a strong start ), they have fallen back behind Ferrari and Merc and even behind Mclaren, Mclaren planned well, they brought their updates just after recalculation of budgets ( And while still low in the championship ), so will be able to keep the same pace of development till season ends.
Mercedes have their AMG One, Ferrari the 499P programme, Aston the Valkyrie. What's your point exactly?
AMG one is all finished rounded up and done with. you cant compare a car designed before the regs started to one currently still being designed. " According to the report from AMuS’ Michael Schmidt, high-end hypercar projects such as the RB17 could potentially allow teams to conduct F1-related R&D outside their F1 operations – and therefore outside the cap. Both the Red Bull RB17 and the Aston Martin Valkyrie appear to be in the FIA’s crosshairs, and AMuS’ article suggest the governing body is looking at both closely. The Mercedes AMG One does not feature in the AMuS report, perhaps because of its reduced focus on ground-effect downforce, a key aspect of the new 2022 F1 rules. " Point shown above.
best no one mentions the Mercedes-ineos America's cup thing then. Or James Allison's involvement in it.
he wasnt involved in Mercs f1 team then, hes only just come back to take over Elliot. AN is doing all 3 at the same time........ was also away building boats before coming back. In other words. i dont see your point.?
Allison is CTO for both, only recently changed for F1 back to his previous position. You're the one bringing up non F1 programs so...I'll put the same question to you, what's your point?
your bringing up boats, i brought up other research and development programs running side by sides Redbulls f1 program, after you said and i quote " Red Bull has the fewest development hours available of anyone" on paper maybe, in real world, Redbull are spending hundreds of hours in the WT and millions researching ground effects via rb17 and the valkyrie. That was my point, you knew what it was, just dont want to admit the true scale of your teams cheating.
Michelangelo or Leonard da Vinci were unique either .. I know this is a bold comparison. But who knows ..
