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Jeff Kennedy · Jul 31, 2023

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I remember an old Road & Track article about best designs. The cited the XKE but then used a picture of a body in white saying that this was the best iteration of the car. It went on to argue that the basic design was outstanding but the detailing of lights and bezels was less than it could have been. I have agreed with that and wonder how much of the detailing issues were caused by manufacturing issues. I find the tail light solution with stuck on cast housing to a prime example of the detailing issues.

Jeff Kennedy · Jul 31, 2023

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Uwe Bahnsen: An Unsung Design Hero

Patrick recalls a giant of automotive design.

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A Hamburger he was — from the city of course — because Uwe Bahnsen was a gourmet. Germany’s ‘city on the Elbe’ is where he was born, and it was here he studied; an ‘arty kinda course’ as my American friends would say, which led him to become a shop window designer, and a damned good one at that! This however was not to be his long and winding road to fulfilment, for he had already fallen in love with that addictive invention called the motorcar. Having in 1956, gained a position in Ford’s Cologne Design studio — named at the time Formgestaltung (form givers), where the missionaries of American styling reigned — he quickly rose to become Studio Chief.

Two years later, Ford’s Detroit HQ sent an excellent Senior Design Manager, Wesley P. Dahlberg, to hold fort in Cologne-Merkenich. Usually, Ford’s US Design leadership tended to populate these remote outposts of civilisation (like England or Germany) with either near-retirees or former convicts like Roy Brown, the unrepentant culprit charged with styling the disastrous Edsel. Roy however did take charge of the Dagenham-based Styling studio which came up with a real winner, the Ford Cortina Mark I.

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Meanwhile, back in Germany, Dahlberg hit it off with his impeccably dressed and highly talented Studio Chief, Uwe Bahnsen, who loved both modern European and the best of American design. They immediately entered into the design development of what was to become a remarkably well designed vehicle, the Taunus P3 17M. This was to replace a rather heavy looking model that had been created in Detroit by designers who had made a ‘just passin’ thru’ visit to foreign lands. The new car however, designed in Cologne, would embody leading-edge European aesthetics. Its overall design theme was oval, confirmed in all the design language of its detailing, which incorporated unique oval shaped headlamps and curved side glass — a first in Europe, and an instantly recognisable signature.

When the car was launched in 1960, the press contemptibly nicknamed it Badewannetaunus or ‘Bathtub Taunus’ but… the public loved it and it went on to sell 669,731 units. The success of the P3, together with his undoubted management skills, propelled Uwe into the ‘high potential’ category established by the company which automatically led, in 1962, to his two-year assignment to Motown, a period he thoroughly enjoyed and where he learnt to appreciate very dry Martinis.

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I first heard about Mr. Bahnsen when, as a neophyte designer, I was hired by Ford of Britain in late 1968, and forced-marched to the interior design department despite my ardent wish to design car exteriors rather then their inners. I was told by my new colleagues that the boss was a tall German — but nevertheless a nice person — and I could not help but be impressed when I first saw him enter the design studio shortly after my arrival.

He was an 1.87m tall and slender man, whose presence was written in capital letters and highlighted by his sideburns which were just as spectacular as those of The King himself. Yet even later, despite Uwe becoming a close friend, I never got around to ask him if he actually liked Elvis. Yet despite his impressive manner, when he talked to people he actually listened to the answers he was given. This was to be my studio for just a year, and during that time I never seemed to climb onto the podium, being characterised as the Frenchman who was a bit of a futurist, but Mr Bahnsen liked what I did and he would more often than not enter into conversation with me on his visits to the design studio.

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This is not my story, but that of this awe-inspiring designer and human being, but I cannot nevertheless resist saying that, since he believed I had management potential, he sent me to further my studies and obtain an MBA at the Anglia-Ruskin University. This I consider to have been a great advantage, since no one else from the Design Department ever did thereafter. From my side, I learnt to appreciate the management of this consummate professional who was always so rigorous, who shared with some of us his vision of the Design department becoming a significant strategic partner within the company. He simply abhorred when design personnel would arrive late for a meeting, triggering the chairperson to quip: “Let’s wait until all the artists arrive!”

In 1970, Uwe Bahnsen moved back to Germany to become the head of the Ford AG Design Centre, working under the overall direction of the newly appointed American Vice President of Design. Joe Oros had been exiled for having come second in the race for the succession to head Ford worldwide Design, which was won by Eugene Bordinat Jr. But worse, this was the man who had been responsible for the design of the epoch-changing Mustang — evidently a man to be exiled.

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The first few years under Uwe Bahnsen’s tenure saw the birth of some rather modern cars that were often plagued by a carry-over platform policy, which invariably were associated with a demand for wider bodies, resulting in cars that displayed lateral overhangs and cavernous wheel openings which, when explored, often revealed the presence of wheels. There were also some quite striking designs like the second generation Capri but it was later that an explosion of modernity appeared.

The Erika programme was the first front wheel drive Escort, whose XR3 model was very much a ‘Bahnsen design directed’ project. The XR3 is a magnificent example of his ‘design resilience’. He managed to withstand the continuous flow of suggestions from thrice-yearly US management reviews whose members could not understand the lack of stripes and fake scoops on a sporting model — for Uwe preferred to take his inspiration from Porsche rather than Mercury.

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In 1976, Uwe was finally named Ford of Europe’s Design Vice President, and this is where serious thinking took place leading to the development of the Sierra. I was there with him and our team, as well as Europe’s Ford President, Bob Lutz, to deploy the strategy that led to the birth of this car which, to employ Edith Piaf’s words, I can hum “Non, je ne ne regrette rien”, (No, I have no regrets), and yet something was evidently wrong. The biggest mistake being, to have jeopardised Ford’s position on the all important UK market by not offering, from the first day, a notchback saloon.

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I was also present at the lunch convened by Ford’s Global Chairman, Red Poling, who wanted to have his pound of flesh for the slow sales of the Sierra on the British market. The culprit being the one and only Uwe Bahnsen, even though I was the man who had replaced him in Germany, and that amongst that group of eight persons around the table was my planned successor — for I was on my way to Detroit to receive a two-year indoctrination course before replacing my highly esteemed boss.

When the blame came, with its cruel corporate ritual of humiliation, I noted that all those who had had a hand in the Sierra development looked the other way, something dogs tend also to do when a piece of crockery mysteriously falls off the table. He was condemned and became a marked man, aware that his future as an influential designer in Ford had come to an end. I was to be his successor but… I decided otherwise, nauseated by what I had witnessed, and so whilst having served only two months as a Foreign Service Assignee in Detroit, I resigned.

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In 1986, Uwe Bahnsen left Ford to join as director of the famous American design school, Art Center, which had just opened a college in Vevey, Switzerland, and there he shared his design vision with several generations of automotive designers. Uwe passed away in 2013 and in a communiqué published by Art Center, George Wardle, who at the time headed the graduate programmes in Transportation wrote this message which I have kept as a memento: “I have always acknowledged Uwe Bahnsen along with Patrick le Quément his protégé, as the two automotive designers who most effectively invested their considerable intellect and energy to elevating the importance of Design within the car industry and to the outside world. They did this in a way that has helped all of us who followed their path”.

Above all, Uwe Bahnsen was an honourable man.

Postscript: This may read as a laudatory portrait of a man written by an admirer, true enough, but there is something I can bring forth that is tainted with slight criticism; his walking habits. Bahnsen, who had been a rally driver, walked as he drove — cutting corners, and I always seemed to be in his path. That’s about it.

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Uwe Bahnsen: 30 May 1930 — July 30 2013 — RIP.

Image captions:

Publicity shot from launch of Capri II.

Presentation of Taunus/ Cortina in 1976 which I designed.

Design Studio Merkenich 1976. Left to right: Uwe Bahnsen, Claude Lobo — Manager Fiesta exterior, Peter Müller — Modeller and Ray Everts — Design Executive at the time.

Photo of Uwe Bahnsen and Ford Cargo truck model.

Taken in my office with Uwe Bahnsen (centre) and Andy Jacobsen (right). Then my N°2, Jacobsen became my successor.

Discussing details about the Scorpio/Granada with Uwe Bahnsen.

UB smoking a Benson & Hedges.

All images (unless otherwise indicated) ©Patrick le Quément collection.
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This has left out the European tour of duty by Jack Telnack. Jack returned to Detroit from Europe around 1975/76.

jm2 · Jul 31, 2023

From today's Autoextremist
As race car designs go, I think this is pretty cool.
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This is the Nichols N1A: a contemporary Can-Am-inspired supercar that embodies the classic McLaren M1A design aesthetic with a radical update. Boasting an aggressive demeanor from its low-lying nose to its definitive tail, but with increased dimensions and space, the N1A mirrors the striking design simplicity of the MP4/4, all thanks to the same master designer, Steve Nichols. As a teenager, Steve wanted to be an F1 designer. The path wasn't obvious as a young man growing up in Utah. This meant a degree in aeronautical engineering and a first job at Hercules designing rocket motors and familiarizing himself with a new material, carbon fiber, years before its introduction in motorsport. Steve then spent two stints at McLaren. The first bringing his experience of carbon fiber to the McLaren MP4/1, working alongside John Barnard in a design department initially consisting of just three people. When John left to go to Ferrari, Steve became Chief Designer and saw firsthand the triumphs and tensions of the Senna/Prost pairing, while also acting as Ayrton's race engineer. Nichols was the Chief Designer of the McLaren MP4/4, the most successful car of all time, which won 15 out of 16 races during the 1988 season in the hands of the legendary Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost. Steve followed Prost to Ferrari, but returned to McLaren several years later at the request of CEO Martin Whitmarsh in a broad and hugely satisfying role covering all aspects of the F1 team. “When I was looking for a project to keep me amused in my old age, the idea of taking a fresh look at the very first McLaren, the 'M1A', had great appeal," Steve commented. "Initially intended as a prototype but time and registered interest has meant pursuing it with the aim to turn it into a beautifully finished vehicle worthy of its, and my, McLaren roots.” According to Goodwood Road & Racing, an initial run of seventeen launch-spec cars will feature a dry-sump 7.0-liter development of the GM LS3. These new blocks have been bored out to their new 427-cubic inch capacity with steel liners and upgraded pistons, producing around 660PS (485kW). Each of these engines will be built by Langford Performance Engineering, a company that has produced F1 engines in the past, most notably that of the Jordan 191, the car in which Michael Schumacher made his debut at the Belgian Grand Prix. All models will come with a six-speed manual gearbox. We don’t have any performance figures yet, but a power-to-weight ratio of around 710PS (522kW) per ton suggests that these will pack a Can-Am punch. No more than 100 Nichols N1As will be built in total, with production commencing before the end of 2023. Prices are said to be in the region of £450,000 after taxes in the UK. Editor's Note: Peter had to be revived after reading about this machine - it definitely put him over the edge. As far back as I can remember, he's talked about having a Can-Am-like sports car for the street. Well, here it is. -WG

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jm2 · Aug 1, 2023

Mazda designer talks about the future of car design 9 min

colombo2cam · Aug 1, 2023

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AUTOMOTIVE STYLING WATERCOLOR BY JOHN FRANCIS MARSH
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jm2 · Aug 1, 2023

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Very cool!

tritone · Aug 1, 2023

https://electrek.co/2023/08/01/automobili-pininfarina-pura-vision-concept-electric-luxury-utility-vehicle-ev/#more-313036
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Check the link for more pix, or see it in the metal (carbon?) at Monterey in a couple of weeks........

Schultz · Aug 1, 2023

1972 Mercedes-Benz L 408 Bus with Trailer by Ernst Auwärter
$150,000 - $170,000 USD estimate 6 year restoration
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The range of buses, trucks, flatbeds, and vans known as the “T2” or "Düsseldorf Transporter" served working people across the globe over three decades of production. These vehicles were the second generation of the post-war Mercedes-Benz commercial vehicle and retained a similar layout to its predecessor....the “T2” was a common sight wherever there was work to be done or people to move.

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Fashioned for continental touring, the interior features well-padded seating for 14 passengers surrounded by extra-large windows and two pop-up sky lights for incredible 360-degree visibility.

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Looks like a very high quality restoration
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Green.. everywhere!
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Under the bonnet, a Type OM 314 diesel inline four-cylinder engine displaces 3.8 litres and provides 85 horsepower to the rear axle.
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Roadtrip anyone? This might be one of those perfect vehicles to battery swap... then again the A/C might destroy the range half way up the alps.

330 4HL · Aug 2, 2023

Back in 1968 this little concept car, known as the Pontiac XP-886, appeared on the GM Design Patio. Little is known about this project, but Pontiac came up with proposals for different versions including a 2+2 with a removable roof panel, a sport wagon, and a version where the rear glass and roof panel could be removed making for a sort of dune buggy. via -Michael Noun
I'm seeing a lot of Vega in this -

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jm2 · Aug 2, 2023

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https://electrek.co/2023/08/01/automobili-pininfarina-pura-vision-concept-electric-luxury-utility-vehicle-ev/#more-313036
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And just when I thought I'd seen it all, they're bring back whitewalls?!

330 4HL · Aug 2, 2023

tritone said: ↑

https://electrek.co/2023/08/01/automobili-pininfarina-pura-vision-concept-electric-luxury-utility-vehicle-ev/#more-313036
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Check the link for more pix, or see it in the metal (carbon?) at Monterey in a couple of weeks........
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This makes the current Camaro look positively 'airy'
Can't help wondering if there's an 88MM foreard facing option.

330 4HL · Aug 2, 2023

Jeff Kennedy said: ↑

I remember an old Road & Track article about best designs. The cited the XKE but then used a picture of a body in white saying that this was the best iteration of the car. It went on to argue that the basic design was outstanding but the detailing of lights and bezels was less than it could have been. I have agreed with that and wonder how much of the detailing issues were caused by manufacturing issues. I find the tail light solution with stuck on cast housing to a prime example of the detailing issues.
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If I'm (barely) remembering the same article, the photo the chosen was of the coupe body in white as it was a purer shape.
Sound familiar?

330 4HL · Aug 2, 2023

Schultz said: ↑

1972 Mercedes-Benz L 408 Bus with Trailer by Ernst Auwärter
$150,000 - $170,000 USD estimate 6 year restoration
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The range of buses, trucks, flatbeds, and vans known as the “T2” or "Düsseldorf Transporter" served working people across the globe over three decades of production. These vehicles were the second generation of the post-war Mercedes-Benz commercial vehicle and retained a similar layout to its predecessor....the “T2” was a common sight wherever there was work to be done or people to move.

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Fashioned for continental touring, the interior features well-padded seating for 14 passengers surrounded by extra-large windows and two pop-up sky lights for incredible 360-degree visibility.

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Looks like a very high quality restoration
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Green.. everywhere!
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Under the bonnet, a Type OM 314 diesel inline four-cylinder engine displaces 3.8 litres and provides 85 horsepower to the rear axle.
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Roadtrip anyone? This might be one of those perfect vehicles to battery swap... then again the A/C might destroy the range half way up the alps.
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Bodywrok on the right side iss pretty brutal for a 'six year restoration"...

jm2 · Aug 2, 2023

tritone said: ↑

https://electrek.co/2023/08/01/automobili-pininfarina-pura-vision-concept-electric-luxury-utility-vehicle-ev/#more-313036
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Check the link for more pix, or see it in the metal (carbon?) at Monterey in a couple of weeks........
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Not sure what to make of this latest Pininfarina exercise.
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energy88 · Aug 2, 2023

Schultz said: ↑

1972 Mercedes-Benz L 408 Bus with Trailer by Ernst Auwärter
$150,000 - $170,000 USD estimate 6 year restoration
View attachment 3560266

The range of buses, trucks, flatbeds, and vans known as the “T2” or "Düsseldorf Transporter" served working people across the globe over three decades of production. These vehicles were the second generation of the post-war Mercedes-Benz commercial vehicle and retained a similar layout to its predecessor....the “T2” was a common sight wherever there was work to be done or people to move.

View attachment 3560267

Fashioned for continental touring, the interior features well-padded seating for 14 passengers surrounded by extra-large windows and two pop-up sky lights for incredible 360-degree visibility.

View attachment 3560272

Looks like a very high quality restoration
View attachment 3560275
Green.. everywhere!
View attachment 3560270

Under the bonnet, a Type OM 314 diesel inline four-cylinder engine displaces 3.8 litres and provides 85 horsepower to the rear axle.
View attachment 3560276

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Roadtrip anyone? This might be one of those perfect vehicles to battery swap... then again the A/C might destroy the range half way up the alps.
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Mighty skinny tires for hauling around 15 people!

energy88 · Aug 2, 2023

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And just when I thought I'd seen it all, they're bring back whitewalls?!
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...meaning red line and blue line tires can't be far behind?

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jm2 · Aug 2, 2023

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...meaning red line and blue line tires can't be far behind?

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Jeff Kennedy · Aug 2, 2023

330 4HL said: ↑

If I'm (barely) remembering the same article, the photo the chosen was of the coupe body in white as it was a purer shape.
Sound familiar?
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Yes. The article may have been written by Bill Motta.

furmano · Aug 2, 2023

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Sketch demo from the early '80's. GM Design
50 min long.

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I wish the old, real world techniques were still used. But digital is just too easy and forgiving.

jm2 · Aug 3, 2023

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I wish the old, real world techniques were still used. But digital is just too easy and forgiving.
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Them days are gone forever. We live in a digital world now.

tritone · Aug 3, 2023

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Not sure what to make of this latest Pininfarina exercise.
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Would probably get culled from my portfolio before my next interview.........

4CamGT · Aug 3, 2023

330 4HL said: ↑

Back in 1968 this little concept car, known as the Pontiac XP-886, appeared on the GM Design Patio. Little is known about this project, but Pontiac came up with proposals for different versions including a 2+2 with a removable roof panel, a sport wagon, and a version where the rear glass and roof panel could be removed making for a sort of dune buggy. via -Michael Noun
I'm seeing a lot of Vega in this -

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Interesting to compare with what was going on across town at Fordin 1967 with the Allegro II Concept. Looks a lot like the Vega and Camaro front end!

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Schultz · Aug 5, 2023

Follow up to JM2's pictures of Cars in my Yard

jm2 · Aug 5, 2023

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Follow up to JM2's pictures of Cars in my Yard

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Thanks, one of the cool events of the summer around these parts (SE Michigan)
At 10:58 my Lyriq was parked next to the '58 Olds.

330 4HL · Aug 6, 2023

Art Center epansion...
It seems they have a number of ongoing projects. Business must be good -

https://archinect.com/darinjohnstonearchitects/project/mullin-transportation-design-center-at-artcenter-college-of-design

"Art Center Expansion. Mullin Transportation Design Center
The future home of ArtCenter’s undergraduate Transportation Design and Graduate Transportation Systems and Design programs will debut in Spring 2024.
Originally a supersonic wind tunnel, the site is being transformed by Darin Johnstone Architects (DJA) into a suite of educational spaces to facilitate research, experimentation and cutting-edge design, providing full-scale vehicular access that replicates the experiences of professional design studios.
When the renovation is complete, the Mullin Center will showcase 31,000 square feet of specialized labs, classrooms, exhibition spaces, studios and offices. DJA has envisioned a number of hovering elements that appear to float within the wind tunnel, including a flex lecture space and viewing deck on the mezzanine level that floats above a fabrication studio and Vehicle Architecture Lab on level one, and a curved ramping gallery connecting to level two that slips around and floats over an Art and Process Lab framing the upper division Undergraduate Studio.
Adjacent to the new Mullin Transportation Design Center, a portion of the 950 building is also being renovated to hold the new Hyundai and Kia Innovation Lab (currently housed at Hillside Campus), which is dedicated to research and design exploring the user experience.
Mullin Transportation Design Center
South Campus
950 S. Raymond Avenue
Pasadena, CA 91105"

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