Scuderia Ferrari 2023

Your whole post reads like a propaganda post from the British biased Sky crew...
Norris is an overhyped driver and Piastri just started his 1st season, maybe wait first for either to actually win a race...
Leclerc would mop the floor with any team mate not named Max in the current F1, just like he has done to all his team mates thus far (including a 4x WDC environmentalist).

 

You are welcome to find the mop for Charles lol. The only mop so far is in Max’ hands!! So have another drink!!

 

To be fair, the new wind tunnel was not operative till 1998, and only the 1999 car was developed from the beginning with it.

Wind tunnel or not, Barnard ****ed it up with the F310, as he later admitted it. Although his last Ferrari, the F310B, was "acceptable", probably because he didn´t try to be "creative" and made a Williams clone.

 

Thats called evolution of the car. Barnard designed the new 7 speed package!

 

It wasnt a ........up, just poor aero work from the WT facilities he had at his disposal. As Brawn remarked at the time it was a well engineered car and a good basis to develop. Poor reliability was a key issue for Irvine that year and the team may have won the WCC had it not been for the incompetence in the factory.

 

We can debate the current crop of drivers until the cows come home.
What we need most is a winning car.

 

cinq personnes pour parler d'un pilote, et nous aurons quatre avis différents. mais pour moi, Leclerc n'a pas l'étoffe d'un champion du monde.

 

Maybe you´re mistaking cars. The F310 was bad, pretty bad. Barnard didn´t interpret the new rules about head protection right (well, Benetton and other teams either) and had to hack a totally new nose mid-season. The F310B, despite the name, was totally different. It was the one that looked like a Williams. Yet, it didn´t had a chance at the WCC, and even Schumacher had to ram Villeneuve to have a shot at the WDC.

 

So why isn't he doing it ? He certainly hasn't "mop the floor" with Sainz !!

 

Exactly !!

 

Based on what? "William's" personal opinion? He totally has mopped the floor with Sainz, every metric they have as team mates is on Charles side.
Sainz will be remembered always being in the shadow of someone greater, just like his father in WRC rally in the 90's.

 

Not at all, Barnards aero guy got the data all wrong and they ended up with that design. Bryne and Brawn both developed the car, if it was that bad they would have built a new car, The 310B only got one more victory the following season.

F310 - 3 wins 15 DNF
F310B - 5 wins 10 DNF

Slight improvement

 

The stats speak for themselves.

 

Personally I do not care how much any one driver makes. They should make as much money as they can- tomorrow they could be dead. No driver on the grid is overpaid- they are paid what the team and the market thinks they are worth. Here's a question- is Toto overpaid? Is Horner?

 

Well, Barnard's aero guy was his responsability anyway, he can can't blame the factory for that. Yet, the head rest design in the F310 was wrong. Williams and others realized that it didn't need to be so bulky to be within the letter of the law and made a much less draggier design. It also caused air feed problems, drivers had to tilt their heads in the straights.

The F310B was a new car (still made by Barnard) not a redesign of the F310, despite what the name suggest. And it was much better, the F310 wins were either lucky or with rain, and often was fighting for being best of the rest with the Benetton.

 

He took the flak for that mistake and openly admits it, but the F310B was not a new car according to his book, just revamped and lessons learnt, but reliabilty issues were the major achilles heel for SF.

The Byrne / Brawn sucessors to those, F300 and F399 ( 6 wins a piece, admittedly MS was injured for 6 races) where hardly ground breaking either. Not untill the F2000 appeared did they get the dream team in place.

Best
Tony

 

Just noticed that in your last post.
FYI, Carlos Sainz Sr was TWICE WRC champion (90 and 92).
Is that what you call "being in the shadow of someone greater" ? LOL

 

Well, the F300 was handicapped by the Goodyears and the F399 was WCC, despite Schumacher's leg. They were an improvement, again better than what the stats suggest.

 

Some on here have said Sainz should be the number one driver while also questioning why Leclerc isn’t blowing him away right now, so which one is he? Is he a definitive number two driver, or is he the potential world champion Ferrari needs? I think Sainz is a consistently decent driver and that the truth is found somewhere in middle. I don’t think he’s vastly inferior and just good enough to score points, nor do I think he’s world champion material. Put them both in the RB and Leclerc stomps over the course of a season. Leclerc is nearly unbeatable when in a great car, not unlike a recent seven time champion. It’s easy to kick someone when they’re down. I know I did that to Hamilton last season when Russell beat him. One, two, or even three seasons does not a career make, unless you are a Palmer or de Vries…

 

I am OK with that.
Leclerc isn't vastly superior to Sainz.

 

Patrick Head also destroyed Williams with his ego over the years. Every driver and designer they parted ways with was always the worst person to work with. Mansell, Hill, Prost, Villeneuve, Zanardi, Newey, Renault, and Ralf all hated his guts by the time the left the team, so JPM has good company.

JPM really didn't drive seriously in 06'. He knew Alonso was coming, and that his days were numbered, so he went and found a ride in the US with Ganassi. It pissed Dennis off that he didn't get to boot Montoya, so he sacked him out of spite in favor of the mediocre de La Rosa. Another warning sign that Ron's ego was going to implode McLaren.

Montoya had his problems, but the teams he was with were also terribly dysfunctional. We Ferrari fans complain, but those days of Williams and McLaren burning to the ground from Head, Frank, and Ron's ego's were some of the most spectacular team self-destructions in sports.

 

I don't think it's an insult at all to say Sainz is only a peg below Leclerc as a driver.

Sainz gets unfairly crapped on by Ferrari fans, but he's much better than people realize. He's consistent, manages his tires well, and contributes to strategy in a helpful way. His qualifying pace is lacking, but he's matured and shown really good race pace since last year.

Both Leclerc and Sainz are not mediocre drivers at championship level team. They're good drivers in good cars, racing for a team that has had piss poor race operations for over a decade.

 

He spent 15 years rallying and eeked out 2 titles. But he most certainly was outclassed by many of his rivals at the time. McRae was better than Sainz (as proven by their time together as teammates), Mäkinen sure as hèll was better than Carlos. So yes, he in fact was in the shadow of someone greater.

 

I do not See/hear anyone here specifying Sainz as a future F1 great. He is good and Charles is in no way dominating him overall. Charles is saying he wants Sainz to stay. Ferrari have a good pairing. Both offer strengths to the team!