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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Luxury sportscars are mostly bought to display wealth and show social success: they are status symbols.
    If you take that aside, you probably have more fun in a cheap, light, basic car like a Caterham.
     
  2. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Right on !!
     
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  3. TonyL

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    I think from reading books about him he was stubborn and had OCD from the start, thats what made him successful, spygate was his downfall, reaching for that golden nugget when he should have left it.

    LdM lived on past glory....

    PH.......dont know enough about him

    Barnard should of resisted advances from Prost, he is not a businessman and lost to the global world of F1
     
  4. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Barnard should have resisted ... ;)
     
  5. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    There's definitely truth to this, but it depends on which "slow" car. If I had to drive Subaru Impreza everyday, I would rather run it in to a tree at 70 mph and end it all.
     
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  6. Bas

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    Same for me with a renault Twingo! haha

    Keeping it in the Ferrari context...

    I'd rather drive a (manual converted) 360 Challenge Stradale or 550 Maranello all day vs an SF90 and 812 Competitizione. Seriously, someone comes to me now and says you must have the 2 from the early 2000s or the current ones, you're not allowed to profit from the sale now or in the future? Hands down the 550 and CS. Wouldn't even need to think about it.
     
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  7. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    Agreed. I don’t really care for the look of the new cars, although the Roma isn’t too bad looking and the SPs are cool. I wish they would take more sculpted design cues from the ‘60s instead of looking so geometrical. You can see those influences in the 550, F430, and 360.
     
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  8. DeSoto

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    The difference is that back then the competition had Bridgestones.

    At the beginning of the season Goodyear even had the width of the tyres wrong.
     
  9. DeSoto

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    Why everyboy is so RADICAL?

    A Twingo versus a modern Ferrari. Pleaseee. Twingos are nice, but the comparison is totally out of place. I suppose some people have just forgotten what was being poor, or were born rich. But I propose an easy solution: I´ll trade my plain minivan for whatever Ferrari they have. I accept Mondials.

    A Caterham? Travelling in one of those, even a short trip, is exhausting. And in bad weather, it´s pain. Ask me how I know.

    Everything has its time and place: Twingos and Ferraris. Personally I´m more and more a vintage car guy, but I get that you can´t cross the same river twice, and there are many modern cars I´d gladly buy, just like there are old cars that only are nostalgia of being younger.
     
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  10. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    A Caterham demands total driver's involvement; it's only for the purists. You need to be really dedicated to take it out in all-weather !
    But, without ANY driver's aid, cramped cockpit and instant reaction, it's probably the closest one can get to a pre-war racing car.
    Even more if you choose the most powerful engines, like approaching 365hp on a 600kg car ! Quite a handfull !

    Personally, I cannot understand people who buy expensive modern sportscars loaded with electronics to show them off at track days, which are the only places left to enjoy a fast car. A basic car can provides far more thrills (and really test your skills), at a fraction of the cost. I have seen those Caterhams really humiliating owners of £200/300K exotics on the track.
    And if a Caterham is not cosy enough for long distance or bad weather, try the all-carbon Dutch Donkervoort F22 ( a Caterham on steroids), but then, they are almost in the Ferrari ballpark costwise. Strickly for the connaisseurs !!
     
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  11. jpalmito

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    This!
    I just realize i get more and more bitter by the passing time..:(
     
  12. DeSoto

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    As I've said, everything has its time and place. I'd like to own a Caterham... but it wouldn't be my only sports car.

    It's not you who was a Porsche guy? Living with a car without roof and windows is not for everybody.
     
  13. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm still a Porsche guy at heart (strictly 911 though), although I don't have one now.
    I used them as daily-driver, family car for camping holidays with 2 children on the Continent (with a roof rack for the gear), for trips across Europe through the Alps (as far as Yugoslavia), etc ... My best motoring memories ...
    A Caterham is only a step down from a 80s Morgan comfort wise, I would have thought.
     
  14. TonyL

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    they didnt call the Caterham a "coffin on 4 wheels" for nothing.
     
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  15. william

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    The Ariel Atom has bad reputation too.
     
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  16. Giallo 550

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    With other cars, you have merely "arrive" at your destination. With the TR2/TR3, you've cheated death.
     
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  17. Giallo 550

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    Yeah, that totally looks like a death trap. I can't imagine the Slingshot is all that safe either.
     
  18. LVP488

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    Since someone is putting it on the table... I just decided to put my "racing career" on hold (I was a backmarker anyway ;) ); but during these 4 1/2 years competing with a Caterham I made marvelous memories. Racing on tracks like Spa, Le Castellet, Barcelona, Magny-Cours, Valencia... in this basic car was genuinely thrilling.
    Comparing my laps at Spa, I was faster in some curves with my 135hp Caterham than with my 670 hp 488...
    Still, I also enjoy the different experience of a car that's (a lot) faster in a straight line.
     
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  19. Mitch Alsup

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    This is exactly right. Except I might throw in the F40 as a great car.
     
  20. 635CSI

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    Just add lightness, to quote CC.
    On Sunday I drove my F12, today I drove my NSX.
    Despite the threat of excommunication, the 3.2 6 Speed car is a lot more fun.
     
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    Some of my "go to" YouTube F1 clips are of CL and Max. Some solid racing before this year. Charles is frustrated and pushing hard. I'm impressed he maned up on his wet driving and got to it. In the end I like the drivers as is. Both bring something solid to the table. Chuck can get everything out of the car. Carlos probably has a bit more race craft. Keep them both, build a competitive car and FORZA FERRARI
     
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  23. Giallo 550

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  24. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Speaking of Ron Dennis and the spygate, really got me thinking. Was the punishment really fair? I'm actually struggling to justify the USD 100 million fine, when in reality, he did everything bu the book and went to Max when he found out. I still don't get it till today.
     
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  25. DeSoto

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    Well, at first he denied it, only went to Max when Alonso threatened to leak it himself. He could have made a deal like Toyota did, but still tried to blame some individuals.

    Let's not forget that in the first "trial" he got scot-free. Only when Ferrari and the Italian federation protested FIA bothered to do something. Then the punishment was too hard, that's true.

    I think that was another example of Ron loosing the plot. A relatively minor issue that grew out of control because he tried to be a smart ass.
     

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