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Um, Ferrari are nothing like those brands.

Ferrari have won about a dozen GT championships, even as their F1 team has not reached the highs of the 2000's. And oh, yeah. They've come back into prototype racing after a 50 year absence, and won overall at the 24 Hours Of Le Mans, which is, imho, the greatest single racing event in the world.

Ferrari have also won 20 grand prix's and finished second in the WDC 3 times, and 4 times in the WCC.

McLaren have had, what? Like, one win since Hamilton left? William's haven't won since Pastor's fluke a decade ago. Renault haven't won since 21'. None of any success outside of F1, save a few wins McLaren have had in Indycar. They'd all gladly consent to Ferrari's accomplishments.

We Ferrari fans were spoiled by the Dream Team, and constantly measure every new generation at Ferrari to find their magic. Look at how Mercedes are beginning to have issues now that their dream team members have begun retiring. Red Bull are going to have problems when Newey retires; he's only getting older.

 

I am sure David Coulthard would disagree!

 

Like other carmakers, they may be forced by legislation; it's as simple as that.

 

Exactly. I don't understand why people keep repeating the false information. What's been demanded is not law as of yet.

And ignoring that, it's utterly unsustainable.

 

Time will tell, but I cannot see the European Parliament doing a U-turn on this issue.
The Ecologists are gaining ground in most countries, and slowly taking over the decision process.
Why to you think carmakers are increasingly adopting electric power ?
I say that in complete impartiality; I will adapt to anything that comes, and I never bury my head in the sand.

 

Politicians around the world are starting to walk back their commitment to EV's. They are too far ahead of the voters on this issue and people resent EV's being forced on them. Especially when the costs without subsidies are so high and the supposed benefits are so ephemeral. It would be so much more honest and effective to institute a worldwide carbon tax (which will likely never happen). China is building a coal fired generating plant a day and some of that energy is going to power their EV's. Doesn't help the environment much!

 

Ford has lost $2 billion USD already in EV's. I don't know if that's quarterly or annually(probably annually).

One guy bought an F150 lightening EV for 115,000 USD. Then he had to buy 2 chargers, 1 for work and 1 for home, each costing $5000 USD. He went from Canada(Montreal ???) to Chicago and had issues with charging and the range they quoted him.

He ended up giving up the truck and got a NA Ford F150.

Long distance driving is not for EV's. Going from work to home daily probably so for EV's.

 

I always only talk about what concerns me in Europe, where I live.
What happens in China and the US, and the choice they make is of not much importance to me.
Europe (the EU) is a group of about 500 millions people making its own laws.
The eco laws they are making go much further than vehicles' fuel.
Soon, any fossil fuel will be banned for heating or cooking too, just like wood burning stoves.
No point for us saying "I don't like it", it becomes law.

 

The problem is that this particular law is being shoved down our throats all for the benefit of the law makers pockets i.e. China since China makes 80% of the car batteries.

People can see this already currently. People should have a choice with this particular law instead of it being a law.

 

In Europe at least, laws are the result of a democratic process, so it's the will of the majority.
The legislators don't make laws behind our back; we elected them !!

 

Same here in the states.....but it's divided over here.

So in your case the majority is what? 55%, or 57%, or 53% or 60% or 70%.

Over here in the states, regarding this issue, the majority is less than 55%.....

And not to mention the environmental impact to the planet. China is digging raw materials by the millions of tons(lithium, manganese, cobalt) to make these batteries.

So any lawmaker pushing for EV's is "turning a blind eye" to the production of these EV batteries in China since "it's not happening on our own backyard," let someone else do it while it seems clean to us. How nice and yet oblivious.

No one is holding China accountable for nothing yet they get away with absolutely everything abhorrent to other countries....namely the U.S. and the European Community.

 

80% of the teams on the grid rely on UK based expertise, nothing wrong with SF craftsmanship just management stability and tech knowhow.

Cannot remember who said it but one incoming tech director commented "with all these facilities how in the hell havent they won more trophies"

 

Niki Lauda commented on it in the movie "Rush".......and he was right....even to this day.

 

Difficult to answer to that question. But I would estimate 60% at least of reps in the EU Parliament are against fossil fuels. I may be wrong
Northern Europe is very pro-ecology, so is Germany with its strong Green lobby, and a large representation in Parliament.
Even France is "carbon obsessed" now.
The resistance to decarbonisation mostly comes from the ex-Soviet satelites in Eastern Europe: they want subsidies to accept it.

Of course, Britain is not in the EU, but has to align itself of the new rules too. They cannot live in isolation.

 

I figure I have another 40ish years left on this planet, and I highly doubt oil will be gone by the time I’m on my deathbed, at least in the US. My 5000 miles a year and 30 mpg MX-5 is not the problem anyway.

 

As we approach 2035 and continue to ramp up EV-ification, countries will come to understand that there are insufficient resources to continue the trend to 100% electrical vehicle populations, and then there are the problems of power plants, infrastructure, .....

I happen to think that 50%-75% of people would be perfectly happy with an EV and that EVs will reach 50%-75% population densities on the roads. Nothing wrong with that. It is that last 25% that does not seem plausible; people who trailer 10,000 pound loads for 200 miles are not going to be EV-iffied any time soon.

What I see is a slow evolution from 50%-75% to 90% over 25 years and then stay at 90% rather forever.

 

Yeah, tractor-trailers and ships won't go EV anytime within 50 years let alone trains as well. Construction vehicles not anytime either.

 

Exactly that, and there's nothing wrong with that.

A small percentage of cars driving about on petrol is no bad thing.

Certainly if they're equipped with decent engines, might actually cheer the place up once in a while...

 

This is going very off-topic, but before mods delete it, I´ll add my two cents.

Regulations are not killing the V12. YOU, buyers, are killing it. Ferrari can make a V12 that passes any pollution laws. What they can´t do is a V12 that doesn´t pollute and has +1,000 HP to keep them in the bragging rights race with the V6 turbo hybrids.

Many would say "oh, but this is not about power, it´s about the feeling, blah, blah...". We´ve seen what happened when the 500 hp V10 Lamborghini Gallardo competed against the little Ferrari 360 with 100 hp less: they just couldn´t ignore the market.

 

Several manufacturers are already testing electric trucks, Mercedes and Volvo among them.
Urban delivery fleets can be electrified (Post, DHL, food delivery, etc...) and some already operate in Europe.
In urban areas, police and fire service vehicles can be electrified, so are buses, ambulances, etc ...
Lots of research is in progress on sail-assisted ships too, on top of bio-fuel.
It will be easy to electrify construction vehicles, since their range is insignificant.

 

Ever consider breaking up the EU? It isn't working...unless you are a Marxist.

 

Those electrified vehicles will be limited due to the loads being put in them. Then there is the time factor involved in completing the project or just-in-time delivery because they have to charge said transportation.

Time is money.

 

When the legislator will say No more carbon emission, manufacturing ICE will become illegal, in Europe at least.
Some harbour the belief that derogations" will be granted to luxury brands, but I don't think that will work, or they will only be temporary.
The big players (Toyota, VW, Stellantis, GM, Ford) having spent $billions converting their production to satisfy the lawmakers will not take kindly to the niche constructors trying to escape the ICE ban.