Scuderia Ferrari 2023

You can say that with a straight face in a Ferrari forum ??

 

I just did !! Exhaust noise is just wasted energy, if you think logically about it.

I rather listen to good classical music when I drive.

 

Yes, but some have do adapt more than others... as usual.

 

Exactly !! Nothing was perfect during the ICE age (pun intended), and nothing will be perfect after.

 

I'll take my symphony of combustion, thank you very much.

 

There is always a minority that rebels against any change that disturbs their ideal.
I don't have an electric car, but I suspect I will immediatly adapt to one when the time comes.

 

The really important question everyone should ask is how are governments around the world going to raise the taxes which they waste in vast amounts.

The carrot at the moment is low taxes on EV cars and travelling but once everyone has fallen into the quicksand, road pricing per mile, via your nice new smart navigation system, will be on the cards and it will be punitive. The European satelite system (Galileo) is already set up for road pricing per mile

Buy as many jars of Vaseline as you can because we are all going to need some assistance

With no infrastructure in place its typical of politicians who havent a clue whats involved, I read one report that if the UK is 100% Electric, then the grid and incoming supplies into every building will need to be upgraded.

tony

 

Yep. Just to charge 1 EV takes about the same energy to run 8 refrigerators. THAT'S JUST 1 EV. How about during the hot months when EVERYONE is running their A/C's to cool the homes or offices which that alone puts a huge strain on the electrical grid. California already has brownouts or blackouts and not even a third of Californians own EV's.

It's really stupid how these lawmakers are pushing the EV's without doing the scientific engineering. It's more POLITICAL engineering.

 

I think pricing per mile is coming for the long term in UK, after the transition to Zero carbon emission.
It has been suggested years ago by economists not remotely connected to government as a fairer system than the present Road Tax.
It will be opposed, no doubt; there will be winners and losers with that system.
As for the increase demand in electricity once the park is electrified, it will be a strong incentive to improve our distribution infrastructure, and boost our production as well. For sure, there are challenges ahead.

 

That's an understatement. Try Trillions of pounds worth of challenges.

 

Yes, countries should rush to boost renewable energy supplies like wind farms, solar or tidal energy in sufficient quantity.
Ideally, supply has to meet demand. Private initiative could step in more than they do at the moment.
Maybe some oil companies should think about converting to provide green power ?

 

All this looks positive to me. Changing the whole automobile park to new electric vehicles will boost the economy like never before and provide plenty of jobs to meet demands, for years to come. This could be a game changer for the car industry in many countries. as long as we resist the Chinese onslaught. Also think about recycling millions and millions of abandoned vehicles !!
Building charging stations, new power plants, improving the energy network could provide jobs for the next generation.
The total transport electrification could end up being a revolution like the jet age was for air transport.
Goverments probably think about that aspect as well.

 

I call it social engineering!
Luckily we dont have AC's in our homes, we are lucky to get 3 days of hot weather.
A friend of mine recently went to Scotland on holiday, non EV it would have taken about 7 hrs and 500 miles and £68 in diesel, it took him 15 hours, gritting his teeth at service stations waiting for a charging point, panicking like hell when stuck in a traffic jam at 20% and ripped off buying electricity at motorway service stations at £0.70p per kwhr (total cost £72.80)

 

Meanwhile WE are going to pay for the infrastructure for the EV brigade to reap the profit!

 

It's definately in their grand scheme until everyone wakes up and realizes that your "road usage" charge will be double what you pay now.......

 

Look at it that way "Every cloud has a silver lining" .
Do you think the early years of petrol car motoring were without hicups?
After a while, everything will run smoothly and people will not know better.

 

There are at the moment people who do very low mileage yearly and find the Road Car price exhorbitant.
It's only fear of a motorists revolt that stopped the Labour government to scrap the Road Tax totally and instead put 10 pence extra per gallon on the price of fuel at the pump.
Any tax based on usage is better than a tax on ownership, IMO.

 

Agree and likewise for me, low mileage user high road tax. The trouble with Labour is that they increased road fuel duty and indexed linked road fund tax as well....double whammy.

Unfortunately we are taxed on what car we have or can afford or more importantly where you live, not everyone pays the same, hence the road scale charge debacle. It will be the same for pay per mile usage, the bigger the car the more you pay and if you live in a city or large town then you will get spanked big time!
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Building service stations which where mostly garage forecourts in the early days was easy, nothing like replacing X million miles of cable!

Look at it this way, every cloud is a thunderstorm in the making

Best
Tony
In any event this is a SF 2023 thread nothing to do with putting the environmentalists back in the box!

 

What's the life expectancy of an EV? At what point do the batteries lose efficiency? What's the replacement cost of a new battery unit in a vehicle?

Lithium Ion batteries give the average user full efficiency at 85k miles and from there the efficiency drops to 85% of battery usage. Once the batteries reach 100k miles the battery efficiency drops another 15% and so on and so forth as the mileage increases. To replace a whole battery unit is over 30K USD.

It is going to be VERY HARD to replace an old EV with a new one every 10 to 15 years not to mention only replacing a battery unit.

My 2 cars, both 2009 vehicles, do very well for me. One has 135k miles and is a V6 naturally aspirated. The other is a V8 and is also naturally aspirated only has below 18k miles. Everything works on both cars.

 

Why is all this in the Ferrari F1 thread anyways! Sheesh

 

In UK, the average lifespan of a car is 12 years. Some are still on the road after 25 years, but the majority are scrapped at around 10.
I won't worry about replacing a battery on a EV.
Also, prices will be coming down with numbers, and the replacement may become cheaper.

 

There is no racing until August 27, and the factories are closed.