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Ferrari F40 market analysis

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  1. dariedell

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    Sold. I wonder what they got for it?

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    Just over 1,000 miles.
     
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    That sale again cements the value of mileage, ,Barkaways F40 is a good car, with one owner from new.. at a good price. 100% premium for mileage .. right or wrong that is quite a premium.
     
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    Well then, you'll love this one:

    1990 Euro-spec #84116 coming to Monterey via RM Sotheby's...with 932 km from new. Coming out of a long stint in China (!).

    https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo23/monterey/lots/r0213-1990-ferrari-f40/1382260

    1-owner, non-cat, non-adjust, Classiche pending, original major components, books, tools. Estimate $2.8 - 3.4m USD.

    Joe, I know you inspected this car in May - you previously mentioned a sale. Did that fall through? Or I assume that was a dealer who is flipping?

    I wonder if the market has enough juice to make this a world record public sale for a Euro-spec F40.

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    That sale happened and that party is re-selling.
     
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    A third F40 (so far) is coming to Monterey, this one via Gooding.

    1991 US-spec #87568. Former Ming Collection, <1,800 mi, Cavallino awards in 2000 and 2020, Classiche, Massini report, books, tools. Estimated at $3m - $3.75m USD.

    https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1991-ferrari-f40-1a/

    Gooding and RM each have estimated their respective F40 at over $3m (going by estimate range midpoint). To date, five F40's have ever sold publicly at or over $3m - all five in the last year.
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    I should mention this example sold at Monterey before. RM 2019 for 1,682,500 USD:

    https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo19/monterey/lots/r0080-1991-ferrari-f40/781618

    Of course that was a different time in the market. US-spec auction results 2019-present below.
     

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    We're spoilt for choice of low-mileage F40s this year, Eu or USA, take your pick.
     
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    Sounds like this will be worth all the money. Problem is that it will never be seen again until it's sold next.

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    What's the context here? "Huzzah! It (finally) sold!" (?)

    Announcing sales of F40s in the F40 market thread deserve some context for the more casual observers.

    The GT Motorcars car has been for sale for over a year, and the DK car was nearly as long. Both extremely excellent examples (alliteration much?), but I'm not sure if the time to find new homes is exactly indicative of a red-hot market.
     
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    I guess the difference in speed of sales is how much the selling party has invested in the commodity, whatever it may be.

    Long term owners will have paid in relative terms a much smaller amount, have no finance involved, enjoy simply looking at the car anyway and can just wait until the market comes to them for the sum they are holding out for.

    Flippers however need to get them shifted to put the money into the next item asap.

    Auctions traditionally used to be places to shift sticky or sub standard cars at trade prices, that has now changed due to the transparency of that market as a result of the internet and the belief that cars are an investment not an indulgence.

    Once again I remind readers these graphs only show (by the compilers own acknowledgment) around 10% of overall F40 sales, so keep that in mind.
     
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    92396's sale is being celebrated by GT Motors Cars precisely because the market hasn't been red-hot in some time.

    The context here is that it's an 8,600 miles F40.

    That's just one aspect of how long it actually takes to sell an F40, it comes down to multiple factors.

    Price being sought by the seller, how flexible he/she is, and wether the pool of potential buyers thinks the current market will bear that number as a fair reflection of current values, is often is the main factor that determines the length of a sale. The low miles F40 recently sold by DK in the USA illustrates this point as they held out for a very strong number so it took time to find someone willing to pay up.

    The car's mileage is often a factor of how long a car takes to sell, the recently sold medium miles (8.6k miles) USA F40's sale by GT Motor Cars and the high-mileage (43k miles) Eu F40 formerly with DK and now with Barkaways and still unsold I think illustrates that point.

    Then of course there's history, provenance, maintenance records, modifications, incidents/accidents/repairs etc to consider, and all those items influence how long it takes to sell an F40.
     
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    Correct for your 80715 too, which is not far off production of the Lovett 80759, sometimes people assume incorrectly that this means the rear valance has been repainted but on 80759 we thought most of the paint was original.

    Speaking of early cars, the very early ones had no fog-lights in the rear valances, fog-lights were mounted in the rear screens instead.

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    Forgot to mention, above image is of 76897 and is by Andreas Birner.
     
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    1990 F40 sold at Mecum Monterey for 2.3m plus the juice. I know NOTHING about these cars like may on this post, but I gotta say if it's a decent car the new owner will look back on this purchase in 2-3 years and laugh...Seems to my naive eyes as a GREAT buy...
     

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