Ferrari Sport Cars Thread

23.08.1953 was a race day: 2° GP Trullo d'Oro

#15 0264 M (166 MM/53 Series II), Franco Cortese, 2nd
#?? 0237 EU (212 Inter), Franco Cornacchia, 3rd
#?? ??, Fabrizio Serena di Lapigio, 4th
#?? 0044 M (195 Sport), Pasquale Placido, 5th

 

Hi Cyril, Kare et al,

after all the usual Monterey madness is over, we might find time again to discuss the important things in Ferrari life :~)

With the photo attached I want to add a little more confusion to the Scuderia Marzotto Ferrari race cars in general and r#30 at 12h Pescara 1953 in particular. I am very interested in any wild guess about the VIN of this entry.

Best regards

Bjoern

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It’s true 2561cc doesn’t match with 0086E...

 

You mean 0030MT ?

 

Oh yes, of course ! Sorry !

 

Great pic anyway ! Thanks to show us ! I think we are searching an ex-Touring barchetta which had received briefly this Fontana spyder body in 1953 before being rebodied with a Scaglietti body in 1954 or something else...

 

What about 0084E ? Yes the story of this car + the brainstorming with 024MB is a real mess but it was a 2561cc originally...

 

As you know I am researching the history of 0084E since the earth went cool... According to my findings, 0084E already was a Touring barchetta (using the front and rear of 024MB's old body) at the time of the Pescara race and used the registration "VI 19370" until the Marzotto cars (024MB as the Uovo and 0084E as Touring barchetta) were sold more or less at the same time late in 1953.

Before the sale, the Uovo got "back" the licence plate "VI 19370" and 0084E got back "VI 20362".

The Pescara-car, while using the licence plate of 0084E, therefore must be something else. It is also not 0086E, of course, because this car participated at Pescara as well. So what is it?

 

It’s a little disturbing to see the « VI 20362 » plate on your pic. Any chance 0084E received temporarily this Fontana spyder body only for a few races in August 1953 before being rebodied again ?

 

Of course this proves nothing, but..... as the Marzotto team was quite creative in changing / swapping body work on their cars, I guess that they would swap licence plates even more easily

 

How literal do we have to take the text on the photo? Yes it clearly states "2561cc" but also "10 Ore di Messinese". There was no Ferrari #30 at that race

 

Good point. #30 was Pescara Fontana spyder and it was entered in categoria sport oltre 2000 which could match with a 2561cc engine or even a 4.100cc...

 

I've always thought it most likely is 024MB. I think both 024MB and 0084E were reduced to a bare frame after 1952 season, so it could be 0084 after Uovo body had been taken off - or 024MB before it was put on.

 

Carlo Mancini/Sergio Ferraguti entered a mystery Ferrari 2560cc #7. Finishing 2nd OA is a bit far fetched, were they disqualified perhaps?

 

Hi Kare,

the Uovo body has never been on a 212 Export chassis, and I doubt very much that it could have been swapped without altering the body a lot.

There are pictures existing where one can easily recognize that it was not constructed on a 212 Expert chassis while sitting at Fontana in the build process in 1951.

Best regards

Bjoern

 

Exactly, Sergio Ferraguti signed the photo and referred to the Messina race in 1952 while using the Pescara 1953 picture….

 

I always though Marzotto bought 0084E and 0086E for the 1951 racing season. They received 0084E late in February so they had a little over a month to build Uovo on it. 0086E was delayed even more and delivered less than two weeks before the race so they were forced to race that one as a "Sicilian cart".

 

Hi Kare,

here is a photo showing the Uovo still in the small workshop waiting for final completion. First, you can easily recognize that the chassis must be an earlier one than an 212 Export (which has double leaf spring configuration as you know).

Second, the Uovo has already got the licence plate "VI 20362" due to the fact that they (only) used the 212 Export engine from 0084E in the Uovo.

Third, when 024MB was crashed at the Mille Miglia in 1950, the chassis was not repaired (what I thought for years) but, according to the "cartolino", a new 166MM chassis 024MB was issued in July 1950.

Best regards

Bjoern

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And here we go for the double leaf springs of a 212 Export chassis:

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This discussion is more than welcome, so many things in Ferrari history need to be thoroughly researched and corrected.

I don't really know what kind of suspension a certain type of chassis should have - or a given chassis number - and always try to avoid making strong statements that need later to be adjusted. When looking at photos of 0086E I would say it too had a single rear leaf spring.

I (too) am 100% sure a new chassis was built for 024MB. Repairing a broken tube frame is impossible, it would behave differently and likely break near the repair.



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Hi Kare,

no, in the picture of 0086E one can see the double leaf springs configuration, The "body" just ends directly where the 2 leaf springs are mounted (one upon the other) to the chassis.

BTW, Ferrari has confirmed to me that a new chassis was build for 024MB in July 1950. The cartolino says "ricostruzione autotelaio" and is dated 21st July 1950.

Best regards

Bjoern

 

Here you can see it a little bit better, especially clearly the two mountings and the upper leaf spring:

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Here is your picture with the Moire patterns removed
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I can't, therefore no opinion. I find it hard to believe that Marzotto would go looking for some scrap pieces in the back yard when he had the latest development racing chassis delivered by Ferrari for Giro as agreed.

 

This picture is from 1952 !!! the 2 is easy readable as a 3 ...
In that year the car in second place (according to the picture) was a Ferrari 212 Export with a 2562 cc engine !
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Also the race is called 10 ore di Messini (not the 12 hours of Pescara)