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  1. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Liberty obsessed with all races being "Events"!!
     
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  2. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    HELLO!!!!! WE'VE BEEN PREACHING THIS SINCE 2014!!!!..........bring back the sound. Everyone wants to hear the sound!!!

    [Autosport]

    "We want a competitive engine, with many horsepower and a great sound. 99.9% of people want to hear a sound on track again, and that's something we've put on the table."

    Stefano Domenicali wants future #F1 engines to be lighter, simpler and noisier.

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  3. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    This took how long lol??
     
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  4. schumacherf2006

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    No ****!? Welcome the real world
     
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  5. Bas

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    so...why did these idiots then first do the 2026 engine?!
     
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  6. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

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  7. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-cost-cap-cheats-should-get-sporting-sanctions-says-domenicali/10496768/

    FORMULA 1 NEWS
    F1 cost cap cheats should get sporting sanctions, says Domenicali
    Formula 1 teams that are caught breaking the cost cap rules should be given sporting sanctions rather than financial penalties, says championship CEO Stefano Domenicali.

    By:Jonathan Noble
    Co-author:Roberto Chinchero
    Jul 18, 2023 at 11:30 AM

    The FIA is currently working through the submissions for the 2022 season that have been handed to it by teams, and has increased its analysis of competitor spending in a bid to stamp out any clever workarounds.

    As reported by Autosport last month, this has also included a deep dive in to team’s non-F1 activities to make sure that ideas are not being fed back to the grand prix operation outside of the cost cap.

    Last year, the FIA found itself having to step in and hand down sanctions to Red Bull for an overspend it made in 2021.

    However, the decision to fine it $7 million and give it a reduction of 10% wind tunnel development time caused some controversy as some outfits felt it was not a big enough punishment compared to the potential gains the team made.

    Red Bull’s dominant start to the 2023 season further triggered views that the Milton Keynes-based outfit did not face any downside to the overspend.

    Ferrari team principal Frederic Vasseur said earlier this year: “I think it was not a penalty. It was very low. If you consider that basically, we will improve a bit less than one second over the season in terms of aero, you get the penalty of 10% of this, it's one tenth.”
     
  8. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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  9. DF1

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    Porsche commits to Formula E, F1 project shelved
     
  10. Mitch Alsup

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    Bring back the V10s..........
     
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  11. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I thought that was common knowledge for the past 2 months !
     
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  12. Kimi2007

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    I absolutely loathe the Hungaroring. The track ****s for the birds. Only Monaco beats it in snooze points.
     
  13. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Unheated “chewing gum” tyres would make F1 look “stupid”, says Verstappen
    Formula 1 risks looking “stupid” running with “chewing gum” tyres if it goes ahead with a tyre blanket ban for 2024, says Max Verstappen.
     
  14. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    It's the reason they want to do away with tyre blanket I find stupid. Never mind ...
     
  15. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/formula-1-still-at-odds-with-fia-over-11th-team-talks/10504338/

    Formula 1 still at odds with FIA over 11th team talks
    Liberty Media and Formula 1 are still not keen to see an 11th team join the championship in 2025, despite the enthusiasm of FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem.

    Ben Sulayem has noted that it was the FIA’s duty to open up an entry process as the Concorde Agreement allows for up to 12 teams, and he’s insisted that he was fulfilling the rules by so doing.

    The governing body is still reviewing the packages presented by the potential newcomers.

    F1 CEO Stefano Domenicali has always insisted that an 11th entrant would have to add value to the sport, an opinion echoed by current team principals across the paddock, and also backed by Liberty Media CEO Greg Maffei.

    "I think there's little daylight between Stefano's and my view, which is we have 10 great teams, and we're very excited about what they're doing,” said Maffei in a call with Wall Street analysts.

    “There was a process to add more teams, but the bar is very high. And it's unclear what value an 11th team would add. And there is a lot of uncertainty among the other teams about an 11th team.

    “The FIA and we have had productive discussions about all this. Do we agree on everything, every moment? No, we discuss it, and we hopefully work things out."
     
  16. DF1

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  17. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Hi Audi / Alpine and others lol!

    Vowles: Five-year plans "remarkably meaningless" in F1
    Williams team boss James Vowles believes setting long-term targets in Formula 1 is "remarkably meaningless", preferring to focus on key pathways to drive progress at the team.
     
  18. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    The Accounting Engineer Championship- Cost Cap stopping competition continues. If you get it wrong you have very little hope.

    Mercedes: F1 cost cap prompts greater lags behind wind tunnel findings
    Added delays between a Formula 1 team's wind tunnel testing and a new part's eventual manufacture is one of the cost cap's biggest effects, says Mercedes technical chief James Allison.
     
  19. Mitch Alsup

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    I have been thinking about how to make F1 Great again.

    I used to be on the side of a 600 KG formula, but now I think that is a mistake. The formula should be 400 Kg.

    Allow 85Kg for the motor (say 3L V10) allow 65 Kg for the transmission, driver at 65 Kg,
    Use the spindly a-arms from the 1990s cars, and 13" wheels from 3 years ago.

    And now you are within spitting distance of 400 Kg, not 600 Kg.

    The current F1 formula is heading in the same directions as road cars--bloat and excess weight--what we need is to get more performance out of less everything, and the principle contributor is weight and way too much of it.

    Rules:
    1) you do not need to make a pit stop.
    2) Refueling is allowed at 5 Kg per second.
    3) minimum race weight 400 Kg, maximum race weight 500 Kg.
    4) engine:: 3 Litres, any cylinder count, any fuel, any valve actuation, has to last 1 race weekend, 10-place grid penalty for change.
    5) transmission: 6 gears, has to last 1 race weekend, manually selected through mechanical linkage, 10-place grid penalty for change.
    6) tires: return to 2005 specifications, blankets permitted.
    7) pit: unlimited pit speed, maximum of 7 pit crew.
    8) aerodynamics:: single plane wing front and rear, wing width is less than inner tire edges, driver adjustable via mechanical linkage. No new wings during race--(don't bend them).
    9) track: neither tire must not exceed white line, or lap must be re-run, unless shunted off by another car.
    10) ECU has to last entire season, party modes allowed, but programming is fixed.
     
  20. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-face-fresh-flexi-wing-clampdown-as-tricks-revealed-/10513290/

    F1 teams face fresh flexi-wing clampdown as tricks revealed
    Formula 1 teams face a fresh clampdown on flexi wings after this weekend’s Italian Grand Prix, Autosport can reveal, with the FIA moving to counter tricks it believes are illegal.

    By:Jonathan Noble
    Aug 30, 2023, 9:35 AM

    As first reported earlier this month, the FIA has been taking a close look at flexible wings over the first half of this season as it believes teams have been pushing the boundaries in terms of what is allowed.

    It is understood that several teams, including Aston Martin, were advised to make changes to their front wing designs around the time of the Azerbaijan Grand Prix in a bid to ensure that they did not fall foul of any rule breaches.

    But as part of a ramped up effort to stop any attempt at getting around the regulations, the FIA has now issued a formal technical directive outlining what it believes are unacceptable designs with regards to flexible bodywork.

    In TD018, a copy of which has been seen by Autosport and was sent to teams ahead of the Dutch GP weekend, the FIA states that it believes outfits are exploiting “regions of purposely design localised compliance” plus “relative motion between adjacent components” to deliver a significant boost to aerodynamic performance.

    It states that any design that operates like this is in breach of Article 3.2.2 of F1’s Technical Regulations, which states that all components that influence a car’s aerodynamic performance must be “rigidly secured and immobile with respect to their frame of reference defined in Article 3.3. Furthermore, these components must produce a uniform, solid, hard, continuous, impervious surface under all circumstances.”

    The FIA has been prompted into action because it believes that teams are exploiting sophisticated systems that rotate and flex front and rear wing elements in ways that cannot be detected through the regular load tests.

    It has made it clear that any “assembly designs that exploit localised compliance or degrees of freedom are not permitted.”

    The FIA has duly outlined four key design elements that it considers to be in breach of the technical rules, but suggests there may be other ideas at play that could be illegal as well.

    They are:

    1) Wing elements that can translate vertically, longitudinally or laterally relative to the bodywork that they are fixed to.

    2) Wing elements that can rotate relative to the bodywork that they are fixed to, such as rotating around one fixing.

    3) Designs that utilise elastomeric fillets, compliant sections of wing profile or thin flexible laminate at a junction that can either distort, deflect out of plane or twist to permit localised deflection relative to the bodywork the component is attached to.

    4) Designs that utilise ‘soft’ trailing edges to wing elements to prevent ‘localised cracking’ as the result of component assembly deflection.

    The only exemptions that will be allowed are in the area of floor assembly, bib bodywork and the opening of a small lateral gap to help the sealing of front wing flaps.
     
  21. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Since the FIA struggles to enforce its regulations, and designers are always one step ahead, maybe it's time to make wings standard parts for all teams?
     
  22. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    That would end F1 except for the PU makers. At that point so much of the car is standard including big important aero its 80% spec series lol.
     
  23. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    There will still be the chassis, the bodywork, the floor to design, and I bet that some teams will do that better than others. ;)
    We have already seen that operating the cars (preparation, settings, strategy) are also an important part of the results.
    Even in a specs series, there are huge differences in performance terms between teams, so have no fear.
     
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  24. USMCS6

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    I vote to let teams do whatever they can dream up. Its supposed to be innovative right?? Rules rules and more rules
     
  25. steved033

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    it's all about money....even spec miata (which started out innocently enough...) the rich guys went out and built "blueprinted" engines by buying dozens of stock parts and weight matching everything. The engines were the best "stock" engines ever.

    sjd
     
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