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  1. carguy007

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    Well I still have the code and verified there is no vacuum leaks on that bank. I never had this code before I did my oil change and filters. I am thinking although I am only getting the code on one bank it may be related to the aftermarket K&N style filters flowing too much air as dumb as that sounds. If not that has to be a fueling issue unfortunately.
     
  3. flash32

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    Use the eobd menu item

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  4. 360+Volt=Prius

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    Hey sorry you are still struggling with this problem.

    Post #26 is a bit confusing says leak found. Post #27 says no leaks. Was there a leak found with smoke test?

    My experience with smoke testing is when I find a leak it’s usually not minuscule, and the pic is not subtle if that’s the leak. Also is it in the air injection rail?

    Any luck with finding fuel trim data, seems it will be helpful if available.

    -ray
     
  5. 360+Volt=Prius

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    Sorry my statement above is wrong I wanted to correct it. Unmetered air post combustion will give a “false lean” not “false rich” condition.

    I had the relationship between voltage and O2 wrong. They are inversely related (ie higher O2 will produce lower voltage).

    Lean = Low voltage - (high O2)

    Indeed fuel may be trimmed to compensate, but the voltage will drop from the O2 before any compensation.

    -ray
     
  6. carguy007

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    Technically I have ThinkDiag which is a copy of Launch with Launch being a copy of Leonardo. What do you mean by "use the EOBD menu item"? I tired to access fuel trims in the data stream menu, but dont see it.

    Needless to say any help appreciated.
     
  7. flash32

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    There is a brand called EOBD..select that instead of Ferrari and then do data stream

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  8. carguy007

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    I found a leak with the pictures, but looks like it was part of the EVAP system, so not in the air injection system to the secondary valvles. I am pretty sure the solenoid is stuck open and the accumulator can not build any vacuum to actuate the secondary air valves. There is plenty of air being pumped to them. I also would like to see the fuel trim data as I still have the rich code, the solenoid will only fix the secondary air pump codes (P0491, P0492).
     
  9. flash32

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    Did you find it ?

    I'f not PM and we can chat

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    PMed:)
     
  11. carguy007

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    @Qavion flash32 guided me through getting fuel trims. I posted below. These were only at idle and need to get some more at varying rpm’s to see what’s happening in the upper rpm range. We are both leaning towards a possible injector leaking or not closing in accordance with others. One thing to note is this cars got direct injection, which is new to me also. There definitely seems to be some sort of fuel issue if you compare to the other bank. Odd thing is I have no other codes from anything else like misfire, which you might expect to see on that bank.


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    I was able to get ahold of fuel trim data
     
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    Thanks for the update.

    If in doubt, I guess you could go back to the basics... pull the spark plugs on that bank to see if there is anything wrong with a particular cylinder ... assuming you can do this on the FF. Depending on how long the engine has been running in this condition, I would assume the cylinder would be easy to spot.
     
  15. carguy007

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    The code only pertains to idle condition apparently, however I agree.I have a feeling I am about to do a lot of work on the car which is fine. Just to access spark plugs and fuel injectors entire manifold has to come off. Additionally these cars like any direct injection car will typically have carbon build up issues. So it’s one of those while you are in there type of things.
     
  16. 360+Volt=Prius

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    Did u try the Techron?
     
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    not yet but have some barrymans b 12 and Techron I am going to run through the stem:)

    have you used it for similar issue before ?
     
  18. 360+Volt=Prius

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    I e used Techron in all my cars except my ev’s although if I could figure out a place to dump it I would. I use it mostly as a preventative measure. I even use it in snowmobiles, my boat, and other small engine systems. I don’t have any miracle stories but I have heard all kinds of success stories.

    Buy the more expensive “concentrate plus” version for what you are hoping to do.

    Personally when I have a car sitting for a while I add it at home to a low tank drive to the gas station and fill up with the min recommended amount of gas for the bottle used.

    I don’t know about the barrymans stuff personally. But if I was facing a larger repair, and I knew it wouldn’t hurt the engine heck I’d try any additive (one at a time).

    If it works you will have some nice data to prove it. And the repair consisted of driving your car rather than days in the garage!

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  19. carguy007

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    Wanted to close out the thread and thank all for any advice or input. I ran the cleaner and the cars fuel trims are back to normal. I must of had some kind of issue with an injector or multiple injectors on that bank. Thankfully it's fixed now. Will drain the oil and refill as I am not sure how much gas made it in if any when it had the rich condition at idle.
     
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    Glad it all.workes out and it was easy

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  21. 360+Volt=Prius

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    Can’t ask for a better outcome than that! Congratulations. Thanks for following up I was just thinking about what the result was.

    Which additive did you use?
     
  22. flash32

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    I had recommend BG44 when we spoke ..I think that is stronger..looks.lkke it did the trick

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    Followed @flash32 guidance and went with BG44. I still need to figure out why I am getting the secondary air pump insufficient flow. I believe it is due to the secondary air valves being stuck closed, due to the car sitting. I tested and did not find any vacuum leaks and replaced the solenoid also.
     
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  25. Black360

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    Do you have or know of a scanner that reads fuel trim on the 360?
     

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