Scuderia Ferrari 2023

I've been a Max fan for quite a lot longer than you've been a member here so I didn't suddenly jump ship.

I don't think we have specific Sainz fans here. We have Ferrari fans that support both drivers and any praise whatsoever for Sainz is taken as ''hatred for Charles''. Any rightful criticism for Leclerc and his mistakes is taken as hatred as well. This is very far from the truth but unfortunately there's a small cult not only on fchat but other social media as well that's fueling it all.

Statements like "I don't want him to go further into the darkness bv supporting santander drivers'' says it all. He's a Ferrari driver for god sake, he's doing well, why shouldn't he get my support?

 

The only thing that's toxic are these deranged conspiracies about Santander and Spain secretly running Ferrari for Carlos Sainz.

 

What a strange post !
Are we to understand there is now a "party line" on Fchat ?
A forum is a platform for exchange of opinions; not a self-appreciation society.

 

Frankly, these anti-Spanish tropes directed at Sainz are disgusting, and should be stopped.

There. I said it.

 

really? He wasn't much hepfull in Brazil (true the team didn't aske him) but he had agreed to help Charles if he was in a position to do so, and he conviniently forgot about it. They also asked him to hold up a bit the other at Silverstone to give Charles some breathing space to wich he ansewred (stop inventing!)...don't get me wrong, he did the right thing, but i cannot see a reason to ask Charles to stay behind Sainz if he felt he was faster.....in fact, right after max had overtaken him, sainz was stalling charles, and nobody asked him to make way.

 

Like it or not, santander is pure poison to Ferrari, and i'm not the only one thinking that way, even the Ferrari president brother said so, and he probably knows more about it than i do!
Spanish influence Alonso+santander) destroyed Ferrari (why do you think Kimi was forced to leave to make way for alonso?) and last year they did the same.....so i just hope they vanish as quickly as possible....as for the rest, i believe it's just a poor coincidence that both Marcos Xavi and Inaki Rueda, probably the biggest imcompetents at Ferrari are both spanish, i'm sure they have some very comptent guys from spain, these two just hapen to be ion a position were they cause a lot of damage.

 

It's not a conspiracy, as it isn't a conspiracy either that Red bull ****ed Perez on purpose, they did it last year, and thet did it this year....it's always the same, he starts bothering Max, they screw him for half a dozen races, and than they let him race again...so obviously, everyone else sees it! And it does nothing for Max, because he's much better, he doesn't need that crap, but they want to make him look even better, hell, 10 races in a row, our driver is the best ever! It wasn't a conspiracy when Tetrapack deliberatly sabotaged Felipe Nasr to make Eriksson look good...they couldn't because even with a ****ed up car, the Brazilian was faster, he saved the team, gave them points and they told him, this changes nothing, and still fired him....there are plenty of proof about this, so don't tell me it's ll conspiracy (A mechanic told how he was ordered to change his setup between practices to hinder him, how his car was always a mess on race day! Do you think that Kimi got slower in 2008? No, They wanted massa to win, but they messed up. Santander was waving too much money, and Luca liked it. Do you think Alonso suddenly got slower tha Elton in 2007? No, they messed up with his car for the last races, especialy in Brazil...but things didn't work out for uncle Ron in the end.
Some may think that all is clean and logical, but it isn't, this moves billions, and you can bet there are a lot of interests other than the sporting ones.

 

Bas was always a Max fan, just as he likes ferrari, i can get it, after all, he's dutch, and Max is an awsome driver, i can totally get it, i for example don't like Max because he was a bit dirty in his first years and cause a bit of crashes with Ferrari boys, and so i wouldn't want to see him at Ferrari, but he's very, very good, and he seems to be gettin better, last year fights with Charles were amazing, tough, super clean, pure joy to watch, pitty it lasted onely a few races.

 

I have to say that, even if I don't agree with you Pedro on Carlos Sainz Jr: after all, he does the job; the pair of drivers at Ferrari is rather complementary, so really I don't understand what there is to criticize here...
I tend, neverthless, to agree with you on the negative influence Santander has had on Ferrari; I suppose we will never have a definite proof, but there were quite a number of clues pointing indeed to the fact that it was them who pushed Kimi out in 2009.
Some actually believe that they already supported Massa much more than Kimi in 2008, because Brazil is a 220-million persons market, whereas Finland is a 5-million market.
And I'm one of the least conspiracy-minded person on earth; I'm an adept of the "Hanlon Razor's" theory.

Rgds

 

My probelm is not wit carlos "per se", although i find him rather "boring" as a driver, with no flair and a fair amount os mistakes for someone who plays it so safe, my problem is with the negative baggage he brings, mainly Santander (because they obviously try to interfere with the team) and the ignorant spanish press, who doesn't have a clue about f.1 oe Ferrari and keep bashing all of the Spanish drivers adversaries..First was hamilton (cause he beat Fernando), the vettel, super hated, cause he beat him twice, now it's Charles, cause he beats carlos, etc, etc, they become insuferable and cause problems because they're always "inventing" problems and badmouthing the drivers they perceive as adversaries.

 

Your "probelm" [sic] is that you have an aversion to anything and anyone Spanish, is it not ?
For years you have been badmouthing Alonso, now it's Sainz (and Santander).
You admitted this yourself on this forum sometime ago. Don't worry, I am not the Stasi, so I won't quote your post, but I do remember.
You told us there is an genuine antipathy between Spanish and Portugese people. I wasn't aware of this, but I take your word for it.
Well, that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but don't expect everyone to follow you down that path.
A sponsor interfering with the running of a team is nothing new. Before it was Marlboro at Ferrari, now it's Santander.

 

Mr british empire rules all acusing me of hating Spain...you should know better by now that to embarass yourself, but i guess some people never learn.....

 

I am not accusing you of anything, you admitted it yourself !

I am not the least embarrassed of repeating your statement.

 

There is no spanish hate from me regarding Sainz either. What I do not like is how his whole entourage and family behave.

Just the other day Sainz's mom liked a twitter post about Charles not being a man of honor, and Sainz's uncle liking posts referring to Charles as a rat. What does that tell you about the atmosphere in the team?

 

Not to mention the post directed at Charles published by Santander,(after Silverstone last year) later erased...but not before many saw it.....i guess when the main team sponsor behaves this way.....

 

Stop inventing.

 

If SF comes in second in the constructors championship it will be an ok year, not horrible.

 

Year is already good for me...we won Le Mans!

 

So Ferrari's team is now poisoned. Carlos has never given Charles any support in a race, and in fact has done the opposite. This last weekend Charles paid Carlos back. There will now be neither love nor loyalty between them. And Vasseur has brought nothing to the team. So the team is completely without a leader. If Carlos is smart, he will join Audi. If Charles is smart, he will stay with Ferrari and continue to pick up his checks and make his mistakes. Hopefully someone with balls will take over the team and turn it around forcefully. Is an Italian Patton possible or is that an oxymoron?

 

I even gave you a like!

Ps: i Still believe Fred will turn it around..he's doing a lot behind teh scenes, but it takes time to bring people and put them at work...

 

Wow - I've been away a few days and all it took was Carlos holding off Leclerc to send a bunch of people into absolute meltdown.

"Charles, no risk. NO RISK"
immediately locks wheels into turn one nearly taking out both Ferraris

Yes, it's Carlos who isn't a team player hahahaha

 

Nearly? really? Boy, you really doubt his car control.....

 

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Must have had one of last year's engines in it